Denso Iridium spark plugs, No hype!, a real gain (Page 6/8)
2fn4wrds SEP 12, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by 1FST2M6:
ooh man I've been missing out!

lol.. i've dynoed them in more then just the 60* V6 Fiero

i came here thinking he was being attacked for his claiming to feel the hp.. but after reading.. this is one place you should never claim 200hp..


I'm glad you responded to my PM. My original intention was'nt to make a claim about what I thought my 3.4's hp was. I realize hp "claims" 'round here are fodder fer fightin'. Anyway, it seems that no one yet who has responded has had any specific experience with: fiero + DENSO iridium + dyno. Only me and my so called "ass dyno" which still registers these denso's as a +5hp when replacing my perfectly gaped six months old autolite platinum's. Even if I'm only pushing 180hp to actually feel an increase in pull it could'nt be less...huh?

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Shaun41178 SEP 12, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by 2fn4wrds:
I'm glad you responded to my PM. My original intention was'nt to make a claim about what I thought my 3.4's hp was. I realize hp "claims" 'round here are fodder fer fightin'. Anyway, it seems that no one yet who has responded has had any specific experience with: fiero + DENSO iridium + dyno. Only me and my so called "ass dyno" which still registers these denso's as a +5hp when replacing my perfectly gaped six months old autolite platinum's. Even if I'm only pushing 180hp to actually feel an increase in pull it could'nt be less...huh?


Dude sorry but ass dynos dont' count!!! So you still have no actual dyno experience with these plugs! Get that through you thick skull. I want real numbers!! I told you I would pay for it. But you only have 4 days left so you better hop to it.

I am sorry but you are not going to feel a 5 hp increase. You want to know what 5 extra hp in the qtr mile translates to? Roughly .05 of a second. Are you telling me that you can tell the difference between a 16.00 run a a 16.05 run??? HAHAHAHAA you have got to be kidding me. You are full of it. You are trying to justify an expense of nearly 80 dollars to make yourself feel better about your purchase for 5 so called hp.

And you keep coming back to the statement that this thread was not intended to talk about your engine and how much hp it has. Well you haven't started a new thread on that subject yet. So maybe I will do it for you since you seem to keep trying to avoid those questions all togethor.

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Biznach SEP 12, 04:31 PM
Whew! I just read all these babies crying to eachother on the Fiero Forum...ohh yeah...that was THIS tread. Seriously guys, lets not get heated over spark plugs! I have Denso Iridiums in my worked over '98 Neon, and I can say that there WAS a difference. I'm not claiming any horsepower numbers or anything. Just going to state that there was a difference, expecially with the Nitrous. I was thinking of getting a set for my '87 Fiero GT, but they are a little TOO expencive. I payed 45 bucks for 4 for the Neon. I gapped them a little cold, (just a little bit) and they perform like champs! I used to run autolites in the Neon but not anylonger. Personally, I think Ya'll are getting a little bit TOO bent-out-of-shape over a sparkplug discussion. Everyone just take a min to breath and count to zero from ten really slowly. Everyone better? OK...lets try to be a little bit more professional now. Lets see some numbers now...dyno sheets and stuff. Lets all get the hard facts on plugs out in the open. No use in flaming eachother. That is just my opinion, take it as you wish.

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Biznach AKA "Ditty"
1987 Pontiac Fiero GT
1998 Plymouth Neon Expresso
1968 Ford F100 352 BB

Biznach SEP 12, 04:34 PM
Whew! I just read all these babies crying to eachother on the Fiero Forum...ohh yeah...that was THIS tread. Seriously guys, lets not get heated over spark plugs! I have Denso Iridiums in my worked over '98 Neon, and I can say that there WAS a difference. I'm not claiming any horsepower numbers or anything. Just going to state that there was a difference, expecially with the Nitrous. I was thinking of getting a set for my '87 Fiero GT, but they are a little TOO expencive. I payed 45 bucks for 4 for the Neon. I gapped them a little cold, (just a little bit) and they perform like champs! I used to run autolites in the Neon but not anylonger. Personally, I think Ya'll are getting a little bit TOO bent-out-of-shape over a sparkplug discussion. Everyone just take a min to breath and count to zero from ten really slowly. Everyone better? OK...lets try to be a little bit more professional now. Lets see some numbers now...dyno sheets and stuff. Lets all get the hard facts on plugs out in the open. No use in flaming eachother. That is just my opinion, take it as you wish.

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Biznach AKA "Ditty"
1987 Pontiac Fiero GT
1998 Plymouth Neon Expresso
1968 Ford F100 352 BB

DaRkLoRD SEP 12, 05:51 PM
mr. lagrua: You'd better turn off your computer, cause I GUARANTEE there are japanese parts in it.. you get an A+ on the Bigotry exam btw.. WW2 was 50+ years ago, both Japan and Germany are now allies.. get over it.

Anyway, whether or not these plugs add 5HP or not, they're too expensive for me. I'd rather spend my money on an MSD box & distributor, 9mm plug wires, and new spark plugs... some that don't cost $12 ea.


I wonder if we'll ever have a thread about spark plugs on PFF without tempers flaring?

(Champion's anyone? hehe)

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2fn4wrds SEP 12, 09:29 PM
Shaun, you and Rogue definetly need some counseling. Your eyes are so full of red you can't even read the simple meaning of my words without trying to tell me what I'm saying. Nor do you listen to those with wisdom trying to bring some levity here. All you say is ass dyno, ass dyno... misleading, misleading. I used the the phrase "ass dyno" humorously. But you guys here that term and your head starts spinning around. the extra pull I felt was significant and I don't have time to go to LA to find someone with a dyno and I really don't care. Although it would be cool to know. If You think a person could'nt feel another 5hp then I must be getting more of a gain than thought! Maybe 6 or 7hp. Its my car. How can you know exactly how my car has responded to these plugs. Are you the grand poobah. Your rage over this goes way deeper than plugs. Sorry to all those who are suffering through this thread. Just a positive experience with a great plug(my opinion)that brought the raging humorless out of the woodwork. Constructive disagreeing is valuable but young angry malcontents screaming their "I'm right that's it" mantra is an embarrassment.

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87'gt 3.4L

Shaun41178 SEP 12, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by 2fn4wrds:
Shaun, you and Rogue definetly need some counseling. Your eyes are so full of red you can't even read the simple meaning of my words without trying to tell me what I'm saying. Nor do you listen to those with wisdom trying to bring some levity here. All you say is ass dyno, ass dyno... misleading, misleading. I used the the phrase "ass dyno" humorously. But you guys here that term and your head starts spinning around. the extra pull I felt was significant and I don't have time to go to LA to find someone with a dyno and I really don't care. Although it would be cool to know. If You think a person could'nt feel another 5hp then I must be getting more of a gain than thought! Maybe 6 or 7hp. Its my car. How can you know exactly how my car has responded to these plugs. Are you the grand poobah. Your rage over this goes way deeper than plugs. Sorry to all those who are suffering through this thread. Just a positive experience with a great plug(my opinion)that brought the raging humorless out of the woodwork. Constructive disagreeing is valuable but young angry malcontents screaming their "I'm right that's it" mantra is an embarrassment.


Counseling?? HAHAAH Cause we call you out knowing you are full of sh!t with your "supposed" claims of better performance(accleration)??? That is hilarious. ohh my hahaha I can't stop laughing. Bwwwaaaahahahaa

And I ahve read the simple meaning of your words. They were,

"More hp."
"I could feel the difference."
"Close to 200 hp with my 3.4."
(paraphrase)My ass is really sensitive to be able to pick up 5 hp.
"My car runs better with Zmax"

See I read your words

And if you are getting more then 5 hp, "maybe 6 or 7", then the plugs you had in there before were not operating properly. Or were not operating as they should.

THe spark will only jump the gap with the least amount of energy it needs to. I bet you didnt' know that. Which means if it takes X amount of energy to jump a .045 gap in a plug then that is all it uses to jump the gap. No more no less. So if it only uses the least amount it needs, then how can having a gap at .045 on platinums and .045 on your iridiums make so much more power when the same amount of spark energy is needed to jump the same size gap?? That makes no sense.

And I know how your car responded to those plugs because I know how all cars respond to plugs. Thats because I know how an engine works. If the current ones in the car are operating as they should and you replace them with plugs that operate as they should, then you will see no increase. If you felt an increase it was because you had a problem with your old plugs. Just because they were platinums doesn't mean that they were working properly.

Keep back peddling. Of course you dont' want to drive to a dyno in LA. You dont' want to be proven wrong. You dont' want to go untill you get your turbo right? You said you were going to do some before and after for the turbo. So why don't you do the before now? How many times do I have to say it? I offered to pay for it in another post of mine earlier in this thread. That should be motivation enough. Wouldnt' cost you anything but time and it would give you a baseline so you know just how much the turbo will give you when you put it on. Dont' you want to know just how much the turbo adds over a stock engine?

You dont' want to cause you are scared of the results that you will find. And you dont' want to be proven wrong cause that would seriously hurt your ego. Hi I spent $80 on plugs so it must have given me a performance improvement otherwise it would have been a big waste of time and money. Go ahead. Prove me wrong. I want you to. I will be the first one to congratulate you in all honesty.

These aren't words of angry malcontent as you would say. They are words of ridicule towards you and how you actually thought $80 plugs made a super significant improvement. You would just hate it if that money was a waste. AS well as Zmax!!

Seriously answer me this question. I asked it before and I will ask it again.

Would you be able to tell the difference if your car run a 16.00 run compared to a 16.05 run?? Cause that is what a rougly 5 hp "maybe even 6-7" would give you in the qtr mile. Just answer the question. Thats all I ask.

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RotrexFiero SEP 12, 10:41 PM
Just me feeling but if you are going to post HP numbers please be respectful and state how you calculated these. Whether they are a guestimate, dyno, or calculated from a 1/4 drag.

The latter two are the only real two measurments of performance that are accurate and accessible to us all.

Speaking of "snake oil" I was at the local NAPA store and would you believe they are selling that stupid "turbonator" thing for like $60. That little piece of twisted metal.

30+mpg SEP 12, 11:09 PM
I can feel the difference when I pass a car on a two lane going down hill compared to uphill. Sooo, I usually try to pass on the long downhill streches.
Dennis LaGrua SEP 12, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by DaRkLoRD:
mr. lagrua: You'd better turn off your computer, cause I GUARANTEE there are japanese parts in it.. you get an A+ on the Bigotry exam btw.. WW2 was 50+ years ago, both Japan and Germany are now allies.. get over it.




You are very clever trying to put words in someone mouth but you won't succeed. My family is European/American, some first generation BTW.
Before you start calling another list member names get the facts right. By your post you imply that I am anti German and anti Japanese. I'm solely against buying Japanese and Chinese imports. It is because exploited, slave and prison labor made the product at 1/10 the cost that legitimate Domestic or European labor can do it for. Did you know that anything bought in China must be made there. Japan severely restricts imports too. What does that say? When it's your turn to lose your job eat you Jap products.
German and other European imports are not the problem. European's compete on a much more level playing field. One more thing friend-
whether you like it or not; it's my priviledge if I don't want to buy that Nip crap!

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