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lurker
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NOV 15, 08:55 PM
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i like the trashcan. whenever TOT gets too tame, too sentimental or saccharine, this is where i look for a little excitement.
what's that noise i hear? is it the sound of cats fighting over a bit of rubbish? raccoons, maybe? look at them, all claws and teeth and screaming, and for what? a scrap of smelly, rotten trash.
yup, trashcan is the proper place. cliff, you did good.
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Jake_Dragon
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NOV 15, 08:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
LOL
Ok but your saying that LIFESTYLE is a choice.... right?
Isn't that what America was founded on? "Liberty" IE the freedom to choose?
If thats the case and AMERICANS are free to choose then they (the gays) are no more guilty of a crime than a black man is of being... well... black.. |
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Sure they can choose, when did I say they couldn’t. If someone has a different lifestyle then why is one more important then another? If I choose not to participate in that life style why should I be prosecuted? If I want to raise my child with the same beliefs I have why is that wrong? If I choose not to mow your grass because you lead a lifestyle that conflicts with the way I have chosen to live my life why can you just let me be and find someone else to mow your grass?
I’m tired, its been a long day and this thread has put more stress on me then I would like to admit. Not that I care about what some landscape business or some homosexual couple felt they had to do but for what it did to some people that I felt I could call friend.
Live and let live has to go both ways or it wont work. You cant yell so loud about oppression that you don’t hear anything else. Let it go, I dont want to play anymore. I'm taking my balls and going home.
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84Bill
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NOV 15, 09:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Sure they can choose, when did I say they couldn’t. If someone has a different lifestyle then why is one more important then another? If I choose not to participate in that life style why should I be prosecuted?
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You arent being prosecuted for not being gay.
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If I want to raise my child with the same beliefs I have why is that wrong?
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Well... thats your own choice and I won't argue with you about that.. but I will argue with them later on just like I am with you now.
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If I choose not to mow your grass because you lead a lifestyle that conflicts with the way I have chosen to live my life why can you just let me be and find someone else to mow your grass?
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But why refuse based on the sole reason of your (insert bias here)? If they are TRUELY free to choose a lifestyle and it is no more of a crime than a black mans skin then why are you choosing to prosecute a crime against them by refusing equal treatment?
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I’m tired, its been a long day and this thread has put more stress on me then I would like to admit. Not that I care about what some landscape business or some homosexual couple felt they had to do but for what it did to some people that I felt I could call friend.
Live and let live has to go both ways or it wont work. You cant yell so loud about oppression that you don’t hear anything else. Let it go, I dont want to play anymore. I'm taking my balls and going home. |
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LOL
Go in peace. 
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84Bill
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NOV 15, 09:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by lurker:
i like the trashcan. whenever TOT gets too tame, too sentimental or saccharine, this is where i look for a little excitement.
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For sure cant argue about that.
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what's that noise i hear? is it the sound of cats fighting over a bit of rubbish? raccoons, maybe? look at them, all claws and teeth and screaming, and for what? a scrap of smelly, rotten trash.
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One mans trash is another mans treasure. In this case the trash is very valuable but it depends on what you believe in. Tolorance or Intolorance. It's really that simple and it's really that important.
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yup, trashcan is the proper place. cliff, you did good.
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ABSOLUTLY!
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Formula88
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NOV 15, 10:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
I'm kinda upset about that... not the heated discussion but the fact that is has caused you to abstain and alter your post.
I read it before you changed it and I thought it was a good post. |
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Thank you, but the discussion has gone beyond what can be considered rational thought, IMO.
I changed my post because I decided it would be viewed as an attack and as such could actually do the opposite of what I hoped it would do. That's why I changed it.
If attitudes are going to change over time, and I tend to believe they will, it will take generations - just like racial views. You never change many minds, you just wait for people who grew up with a predefined view of right and wrong to die off, and the next generation grows up with it's current view of right and wrong. Over the generations, the attitudes will change.
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84Bill
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NOV 15, 10:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Formula88:
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Good point.. I guess you did leave your mark on the wall and that is what matters most. I suppose I will walk away from this eventually... till then.. Let them be "viewed as an attack" because it's not an attack, just a point of reflection that they refuse to look at. Probably because it's not very pretty and I will never say it is... it's just right and that's all that matters.
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WingNut - MD
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NOV 15, 10:52 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
Let me axe you sumpin...
YOU SAY you are not able to choose your skin color but you CAN choose your lifestlye.. is that right? |
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WOW, just wow. I have read a great deal of this, and with your holier than thou attitude, you write something racist? 
(In case you don't get it, you are making fun of Afican Americans)
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JohnnyK
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NOV 15, 11:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by WingNut - MD:
WOW, just wow. I have read a great deal of this, and with your holier than thou attitude, you write something racist?
(In case you don't get it, you are making fun of Afican Americans)
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I don't get it..? Am I missing something. Where is he being racist?
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84Bill
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NOV 15, 11:39 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by WingNut - MD:
WOW, just wow. I have read a great deal of this, and with your holier than thou attitude, you write something racist?
(In case you don't get it, you are making fun of Afican Americans)
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No.. I actually talk and as evidenced write that way at times... Are you calling me a ******? 
I don't think my "bwais" would appriciate it and I definatly don't.
If you knew anything at all about me... and you should if you even read anything other than that one post and took it way out of context.. you would not assume I were a racist. Far far from it holmslice. Lay off the cush casper.[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 11-16-2006).]
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84Bill
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NOV 16, 01:36 AM
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Ya know I'm re-reading this entire thread and I don't know how many time I said that people are entitled to their opinions.... I must have said that in atleast 1/2 of my posts..
I have never ever ever said "people are not allowed to express their opinions.. I have never (unless your moniker was Toddster) said "shut up" and even when I did I sure as hell know there was nthing I could do to enforce my demand.... So to me it's just silly to even try to shut anyone up.
| quote | Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:
Why all the cut and pastes billy? trying to imitate cliff with his "stories"?
There are 2 sides here..
One side that want to prance up the road yelling "we promote free speech! we promote freedom of expression! so sit down and shut up while we express ourselves!"
and the other side who dont want to have their freedom of not putting up with gays making out everywhere they turn being taken away by "being politically correct" and raising their kids with morals.
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isthiswhereiputausername? says ""we promote free speech! we promote freedom of expression!"" as if it were a bad thing... Well it's never a bad thing no matter what side of the issue you stand on. No one should ever be denied these basic freedoms EVER.
And thats why I love this quote..
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"The freedom of opinion and the reasonable maintenance of it is not a crime and ought not to occasion injury." --Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1801
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And before anyone tries to whip this quote around and accuse me of being "abusive" and causing injury just try to keep this in mind.
If I call you an asshat it is my opinion but it will not hurt you unless you are an asshat. I'm just one person out of 10500.. does my one opinion count for that much? The way some people act you'd think I ripped their arms off... it's pathetic.
In that context
"It's easy to blame the sandspurr for your pain and allot harder to admit you were the one that stepped on it.
If you don't like barbs in your feet then it might be best to watch your step. You either accept it or you don't." - 84Bill
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