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84Bill
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NOV 15, 02:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Formula88:
Nevermind. The discussion has become too heated.
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I'm kinda upset about that... not the heated discussion but the fact that is has caused you to abstain and alter your post.
I read it before you changed it and I thought it was a good post.
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BigBoyToys
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NOV 15, 02:59 PM
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84Bill.....This post is not in regards to your stand on the issues regarding this subject...it is in regards to your lack of Civility and how you repeatedly BULLY your opinion upon others!
| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill: Shouldnt you be preaching to your kids about how vile and filthy the gay lifestyle is.. maybe teach them to spit on them and other cool things.. You know.. a mini hitler youth program and whatnot. |
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill: Do they reaise their arm when you enter the room and say "Sek Hile!"? |
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill: I feel really bad for his children and the hate they are being tought by this sick little man. |
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill: I'm not the one who is propogating hate to my impressionable children in a manner remincient of the white supremacist movement.. you are and that makes you not only pathetic but sick.. very sick. |
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill: I don't believe in your "morals" because you are subscribing to a christian doctrine that I do not subscribe to. You say christianity teaches "love" and "forgiveness" yet you demonstrate neither towared these people. |
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This coming from a self proclaimed "MAN" who's MORALS drove him to abandon (Physically!, Emotionally! and Financially) his own children after catching his wife cheating .....PoorBill.....yup, PB is not a teenager by any means yet his HIGH MORALS would have you believe that he is living as an ADULT MAN with his Mommy and Daddy providing for them (Physical!, Emotional! and Financial!) in a care taking arrangement for his poor parents...yet we all know from PBs owne admonishments that this could not possibly be the reality....in fact quite the opposite!
In fact the first times I ever engaged PoorBill as typical he got all defensive throughing around all his usual insults and facist inuendo....the amusing part was that for months....and even till today... he has me pinned for a female (in his mind) I believe due to an assumtion on his part based on my moniker as he seemed to read it as BigBoyStoys...not sure why that would matter...or that my opinions are female like???...never really figured out all of his sexist remarks....but the point to me was he showed his Ethics and his Morals and his true colors towards wemen (even though I am not a female...physically) for that matter towards any persons of differing views as his being a very intolerant individual. In fact PB has insinuated that since my post count is so low that I am not a contributor thus my few opinions really do not count and that I should not bother....tolerant or intolerant? And of coarse I got a nasty PMgram which did not even warrent a response...but it certainly warrented a PM block!
Ever remember hearing PBs number one defense "I Don't Care"....if that was his reality would he be so passionate about debating all of these emotionally sensitive social issues? Maybe ...Maybe Not.... Could really be that he simply needs to justify his owne existance, ethical and moral decisions by being on a internet forum while attempting to be the PFF Competitive Mastur...de...bater! 
| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill: It's "tolorance vs intolorance" Both you and your "loving christian faith" are intolorant. |
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill: LOL What a loser you are.. too pathetic for words. |
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PoorBill...Time to go take a long look in Mommy and Daddy's mirror!
Come back to civility!
With all due respect (as little as that may be) Please get back on your meds Bill!
BBTs[This message has been edited by BigBoyToys (edited 11-16-2006).]
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JohnnyK
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NOV 15, 03:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
I'm kinda upset about that... not the heated discussion but the fact that is has caused you to abstain and alter your post.
I read it before you changed it and I thought it was a good post. |
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I also read it.. Didn't seem like a gasoline filled post at all.
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Jake_Dragon
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NOV 15, 03:22 PM
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never mind [This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 11-15-2006).]
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Boondawg
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NOV 15, 03:35 PM
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WOW!
People are leaving the forum?!!! Becouse of this thread?!!!
It's almost as if some of you feel you are being drug into this disscusion againest your will, kicking and screaming!
If this thread is causing you discomfort, or causing you to want to quit the forum, then just don't come in here.
If you see a book you don't find interesting, you don't read it! What's so hard about NOT PUSHING a ("TITLE" or "REPLY") button? The power to engage, or disengage, is YOURS! But you DON'T throw the baby out with the bathwater! Your opinion on this ONE SUBJECT is not ALL YOU ARE! Just as this ONE THREAD is not the WHOLE forum!
The count in this thread, who have posted FOR & AGAINST the subject, is about even. But you gotta know that there are MANY more who never posted, and I would bet they are AGAINST, and didn't post becouse they did not want to take the chance of being looked upon as "Intolerant", and rated accordingly.
Whereas, YOU stood your ground for what you believed in, ratings be damned! Just as the FOR'S stood theirs.
I just don't get it! This is how THE BIG PROBLEMS get solved. People debating. I think NO ONE HERE is trying to change deep-seated beliefs. The most EITHER SIDE could hope for is getting the other to look at the subject from ALL sides.
I am quit saddened that some now feel they must now leave becouse of someone elses opinion on this discussion. It almost feels like, "If that's what you believe, then I can't be in the same WORLD (Pennocks) with you!". How can that BE!? You would rather KILL YOURSELF OFF, then be on the same PLANET with me?!
All I was doing was expressing my views on a subject. I NEVER said I was RIGHT. I NEVER said you were WRONG. We only see things DIFFERENTLY. And THAT makes us BOTH Heros. Becouse we are "The Keepers Of The Freedoms Of Thought And Expression". Everything THIS, and some OTHER countries, are ABOUT! It's not about RIGHT & WRONG. That is left to Saints & Gods. We are Men. With all our faults and insecurities. We only do the best we can. And pray it's enough, at least for now.
Pennocks is about FIEROS. "Totally Off-Topic" is just an after-thought. I'm sure It is less then 1/10 of 1% of why this forum is here! What goes on in "Totally Off-Topic" should mean next-to-nothing to the forum, as a whole. At BEST, it is an opportunity to gain insight into how others look at the same World events YOU are looking at. And when people start questioning other's views, well, there is ALWAYS a certain amount of danger in that! If that danger is something you are not willing to risk, or dissagree about, stick with the things you have in common, and can BOTH agree on. THE FIERO.
Or any of the OTHER sections, where everyone is of a LIKE mind-set on a LIKE subject. Becouse when a group agrees on the same things, conflict is at a minimum. If hanging with people that think & agree like you do is important to your comfort & mental well-being, places like "Totally Off-Topic" will probibly not be conducesive to that comfort zone.
I hope that those of you that are considering leaveing, becouse of a difference of opinion, will reconsider. I value your input on a WIDE range of subjects. Weather we agree or not, is of little importence to me. It's the fact that you STAND. Harsh, smooth, hard or soft. I don't care, it's whats underneath that I'M interested in.
It's your DUTY to speak up, when you see a wrong. As it is MINE.
Don't run away from ME, and I won't from YOU. Hell, who knows, we MAY even find a COMMON ground somewhere!
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ryan.hess
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NOV 15, 03:35 PM
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Oh come on jake, don't be like that... I was gonna say "Yes! It's just a job! It doesn't mean I have to like my indirect employers or agree with their philosophies"
Now would you mow Hitler's lawn?

(The headline says, "Was Hitler gay?")
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fierofetish
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NOV 15, 04:27 PM
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Can't find a more original parting shot, Bill?Shows the shallowness of your rhetoric. You were once in my plus category.That went to a neutral over some thoughtless, ridiculous statemant in somebody else's thread, and now it is a t negative, as a parting shot from me.Home truths? You want some? here ya go: Thank GOD your ex-partner decided to remove both herself, and her children from your rabid, foam-flecked diatribes, and selfish attitude. And then you moan, and wonder why she doesn't let you pollute THEIR minds too? You are a deluded , thoughtless lout. You choose to battle to the death over a couple of faggots, who tried to set up and destroy some decent business people, because of their Christian beliefs, and they didn't approve of **** -shovellers.Whoo hoo!! You HATE Christians, and despise them..you are a staunch supporter of deprived minorities..right? So how come you can't WAIT to CHEER as you post a thread about the Australian Government depriving a Moslem minority of what YOU call Human Rights?And yes!! THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT ARE CHRISTIANS !! AND THOSE ARE CHRISTIAN BELIEFS YOU ARE SUPPORTING, brainbox. AT least be consistent in your rantings. Errrm. Poor towel-heads, I believe is one of your insults aimed at those people. Oh, and since you have found a new branch of your pathetic 'support' for Christians, it rather negates any attempts to refute THIS? http://www.reclaimamerica.org/pages/NEWS/news.aspx?story=1296 ..perhaps Cliff should take note of where this survey was conducted, and re-evaluate his apparent support. Oh, I didn't cherry-pick this..it is one of many such articles from around thew World, at the top of the page if you should choose to Google it yourself. I am sure the Members here, and Cliff himself, would never boot you off PFF..you are TOO GOOD a benchmark for everybody else to assess their honesty, integrity, and spelling abilities. Without that , ther can be no real definition. As to your obviously Gay-influenced comment about cuddling up to JStricker...and my comment about Cliff siding with you..'implication..apparent, but not verifiable appearance of..) I know you grammar and vocabulary are rather limited  I dread the day when somebody decides to champion pedophiles in the way you champion Gays. Your type of insulting senseless rhetoric might just convince the People to allow it, just the same as a bunch of self-motivated homosexuals shouted, screamed and stamped until they got their way. Oh but you will sidestep that one, won't you? Hey Bill they are another deprived, persecuted and shunned minority...they really need a frontman with your oratory skills and determination to get them legalised..after all, the Parents of potential victims don't have any say in protecting their children from perverts, according to you, do they? Should be plain sailing, Bill, with your vision. Funny thing, Bill. You adopt the mantra of the poor, downtrodden few..and yet, if you were lucky enough to win the Lottery, you would be like all the other Socialist devotees..suddenly become bigger NEO_CONS than the real ones. Go on, give your $50 to crackheads ( I don't believe for ONE MINUTE you did..you don't have any money to spare for yourself, now do you??) Get him high enough to be able to lose his head, and mug and kill for his next fix, in 2 hours.REsponsibility?? You couldn't even begin to SPELL it,let alone grasp its concept. Just one more thing,before the door slams into your face on the rebound behind me. hetrosexuals are NORMAL until they do something illegal, immoral or damaging to Society. Homosexuals are an abherration WITHOUT HAVING TO DO ANYTHING.. they are perverted. In case your limited vocabulary fails to decipher that word, here, I will Google it for you, and you won't have to take my word for it: 1. Deviating from what is considered right and correct: a perverted idea of justice. 2. Of, relating to, or practicing sexual perversion. Wanna argue the toss with the Dictionary, Jackass? Watch out, here comes the door. Oh, a good simile for 84Bill..he is ignorant enough to fart in a packed room, and laugh at the distress his unsociable acts cause to the other 90% of people in the room..after all, there are only, at the most, 5% homosexuals in the World, so the figure relates here. You are like the brainless ringleader of the fools who sit at the back of a school class, and disrupt the NORMAL procedures of people wanting to learn, meanwhile basking in the snickering of your fellow delinquents adoration at your 'Leadership'. Go indulge in another immature, childish and irresponsible diversion. Ooops...did the door hurt, diddums? Go to your Mummy for a nice cuddle, and get your snotty nose wiped.
| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
Don't let the door hit you in the ass. In addition don't accuse anyone for running you off because they havent, you quit of your own accord so there is no one to blame but yourself..... Probably cant even see that can you?
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[This message has been edited by fierofetish (edited 11-15-2006).]
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Jake_Dragon
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NOV 15, 04:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ryan.hess:
Oh come on jake, don't be like that... I was gonna say "Yes! It's just a job! It doesn't mean I have to like my indirect employers or agree with their philosophies"
Now would you mow Hitler's lawn?
(The headline says, "Was Hitler gay?") |
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Would you mow these peoples lawn
 If the Landscaper had told a couple KKK members that they wouldn’t be bidding on the job would there have been as much fuss? If you show up to work for someone and they are dressed in leather or a sheet wouldn’t you think twice? Now put them in nice "normal" attire and I wouldnt have a problem. Its called respect for how others feel. You choose to act out of place and force your views and way of life on someone else then get mad when they say no thanks. No where did I see anyone burning any crosses but there are several here treated that way.
As long as they are not physically harming their kids where is it anyone’s place to say how someone should raise their kids. If they don’t want them around homosexuals or KKK members until they are old enough to understand then why is it anyone’s place to tell them they are wrong.
And for the record, I do not think being homosexual means you are anything like the KKK. I only use that to show the other end of the spectrum. Accept one and you have to accept all. I don’t care, if you choose to wear a sheet or a rainbow hat its your choice. It doesn’t effect my life as long as you don’t try to force me to wear one.[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 11-15-2006).]
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jstricker
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NOV 15, 05:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
John.. You are not loathed by anyone but your crappy opinions are... BIG BIG difference.. Are you blonde by chance?
As far as being banned.. thats up to the people of this forum.. Duhhh  |
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Bill, you have no right to speak for anyone but yourself. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
When somebody takes the time to write a response to something I've posted, I take the time to read it and try to understand it and have to assume that since it DOES take some time to formulate the thoughts and write them down they meant it.
| quote | Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
Anybody that says they will not shake the hand of a gay person, anybody that says homosexuality is a "choice" and they are wrong for "choosing" it, or anybody that says homosexuality equals pedophelia doesn't deserve my respect. Those people deserve my loathing. |
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I never said homosexuality itself was a choice. Never. I said I didn't know. I did say choosing to live a homosexual lifestyle WAS a choice and it's clear that's what Cliff was referring to.
He did not say that my opinion on this deserved his loathing, he said that *I* deserved his loathing.
I can only assume he meant what he wrote.
As far as banning by the ratings system, that is true, although Cliff has the right and the ability to ban whoever he wants, for whatever reason. That said, I already told him that he didn't need to ban me, simply telling my I wasn't welcome was enough.
John Stricker PS: I'm still waiting for a response from him as to whether or not he wants someone he "loathes" to remain on his forum. Apparently he does not, and that's good for me, I probably wouldn't want someone I loathe on a forum of mine either.
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JohnnyK
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NOV 15, 05:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
And for the record, I do not think being homosexual means you are anything like the KKK. I only use that to show the other end of the spectrum. Accept one and you have to accept all. I don’t care, if you choose to wear a sheet or a rainbow hat its your choice. It doesn’t effect my life as long as you don’t try to force me to wear one.
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But you can't use that as an example.. One group hates, the other group are the hatees.. They did nothing 'wrong' (ya ya, I know). The other group advocates hate. It's exactly the same as saying "If you won't let a black into your restaurant, will you let the KKK in".. Same thing.
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