Landscaper Under Fire for Refusing to Work for Gays (Page 54/65)
84Bill NOV 15, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:
Actually,

Morals
vs
No Morals




I don't believe in your "morals" because you are subscribing to a christian doctrine that I do not subscribe to. You say christianity teaches "love" and "forgiveness" yet you demonstrate neither towared these people.

So it is not "morals vs no morals".. It not even "right vs wrong"..

It's "tolorance vs intolorance"
Both you and your "loving christian faith" are intolorant.

PS... Copy that and send it off to your local Waffen-SS group

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JohnnyK NOV 15, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:


Umm.. read again.. that post wasnt directed at you.. as I gave up wasting time on you.



I'm aware it wasn't.. Doesn't make it any less stupid.. You're just a joke of a little ignorant uneducated prole.
isthiswhereiputausername? NOV 15, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:


I don't know what you find funny...

I'm not the one who is propogating hate to my impressionable children in a manner remincient of the white supremacist movement.. you are and that makes you not only pathetic but sick.. very sick.




White supremacist is nothing like gays.. Geez.. you are so pathetic..

Any other minorities you want to bring up..?

So your basically saying.. gays are here to corrupt everyones morals.. put up with it because its their right.. but what about my rights to not put up with gays? go ahead, brring a racist comment up, throw a suicide comment in, throw another kid insult in.. you do it so well and show what your true colors are...
isthiswhereiputausername? NOV 15, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:


I don't believe in your "morals" because you are subscribing to a christian doctrine that I do not subscribe to. You say christianity teaches "love" and "forgiveness" yet you demonstrate neither towared these people.

So it is not "morals vs no morals".. It not even "right vs wrong"..

It's "tolorance vs intolorance"
Both you and your "loving christian faith" are intolorant.



Intolerant of putting up with something immoral trying to force me to accept it as moral? Damn right..

Johnny, your not even worth a quote of your own.
84Bill NOV 15, 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:
White supremacist is nothing like gays.. Geez.. you are so pathetic..



Yes.. YOU and your "loving and forgiving christian" brethren are the modern day white supremacist spreading your hate and intolorance of gays like a black plague and tainting the minds of your children.. it's disgusting.



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So your basically saying.. gays are here to corrupt everyones morals..



No.. you have morals dont you? So how are they corrupting your morals? They havent corrupted mine dispite your oh so grade school accusations.. how old are you anyway?


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put up with it because its their right..


Put up with what??? What the hell do you "have to put up with"? Love? Tolorance? Understanding? Compassion? FORGIVENESS?

What?? What do you have to put up with? Restrictions in "your civil rights"?


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but what about my rights to not put up with gays?




What the hell are you talking about!?!??!?!! Back in the 60's WHITE SUPREMICISTS said the same thing about "niggers" In fact they STILL DO.

You arent all that far off from being just like them.


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go ahead, brring a racist comment up, throw a suicide comment in, throw another kid insult in.. you do it so well and show what your true colors are...




I won't.. Except the racist analogy because they are they share the same HATE and INTOLORANCE towared a small group of people who are DIFFERENT

but go ahead and keep up you slander of me and I'll keep up mine.
84Bill NOV 15, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:
Intolerant of putting up with something immoral trying to force me to accept it as moral? Damn right..



YOUR morals are NOT MY MORALS

Morals are NOT equal.. I AM NOT CHRISTIAN... I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO CHRISTIAN MORAL BELIEFS and neither do "gays" or devil worshipers BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO KISS in piblic and have their grass cut by MOM AND POP.
84Bill NOV 15, 01:55 AM

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Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:
Intolerant of putting up with something immoral trying to force me to accept it as moral? Damn right..



IN ADDITION

They are NOT corrupting "your moral values" because YOU are NOT TURNING GAY.... are you?

So if you are not turning GAY then how can "your moral beliefs" be challanged or altered?
WHO is turning you gay and violating your moral beliefs?

YOU?
Thats about the only person who can change "YOUR" moral beliefs. YOU don't have to turn gay.. stay straight like a good christian.. but don't apply christian morals to non christians.. it won't work.

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jstricker NOV 15, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
Stifling of debate? How did I do that? By moving this thread to a more appropriate section of the forum? Please show me where I "stifled the debate"? Is the "Post Reply" button hidden in this section or anything? Again, please tell me how I stifled this debate.



I prefer the more classical definition of the word according to the 1913 online Webster's Dictionary:

Stifle:

3. To suppress the manifestation or report of; to smother; to conceal from public knowledge; as, to stifle a story; to stifle passion.
I desire only to have things fairly represented as they really are; no evidence smothered or stifled.
- Waterland.

Stop treating me like a fool. You moved this to the trashcan so that it would have less exposure and the thread would die. Fewer people see it. Fewer people will debate it. Fine. Your house, your rules, but to pretend it was for any other reason is disingenuous.


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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:

Oh puh-lease. Now your just taking jabs at me. If anything, I have never, ever "dealt" with people that think differently than I do. And even in this thread I haven't "dealt" with anyone. Have I lost respect for some people here? You betcha. Anybody that says they will not shake the hand of a gay person, anybody that says homosexuality is a "choice" and they are wrong for "choosing" it, or anybody that says homosexuality equals pedophelia doesn't deserve my respect. Those people deserve my loathing. And according to you, that's my right. In fact, if I would deny a few people access to the forum here and there because I choose not to deal with people who think differently than I do on this subject, that would be ok because it's my right to decline service to anyone for whatever reason. Right?



Yes, I do believe it your right to refuse service to anyone you choose. I am consistent. You want to ban me, ban me. Heck, you don't even have to. Since I am "loathed" to you, all you have to do is tell me to leave. Just say the word Cliff and I'm gone. I have that much respect for you and your beliefs. Can you say the same for mine? Oh, no, you can't, because I'm wrong and to be loathed MERELY FOR EXPRESSING AN OPINION.



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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
You're wondering why I react stronger to this than other things? Maybe because I'm from another part of the world than you are. I'm from a part of the world where discrimination of people based on their sexual preference is unheard of. To us, people who think like that are still in the stone age. To us, this discussion could just as well be about colored people. And don't give me the "they choose to be gay" crap. Sexual preference is a choice? So basically everybody is bi-sexual choosing either to be hetero or homosexual? I'm sorry, but that does not fly with me.



Being from a different part of the world matters how, exactly? It makes you less tolerant to dissenting points of view, or what? It sounds like it, the way you throw around the slurs like anyone that doesn't accept homosexuality as normal is "still in the stone age" and to be "loathed".

Oh, and BTW, I would very much appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth. I did NOT say that anyone CHOOSES to be gay. I said they choose how they live their lifestyle.

I am heterosexual. I choose not to go to whorehouses or pick up streetwalkers every night. I choose not to have affairs with my friends wives although I might find them quite attractive. I make my choices on how I live my heterosexual life. Part of the reason I make the choices I do is based on my belief of what is RIGHT AND WRONG. I don't say you CAN'T have affairs with your friends wives. I don't say you CAN'T go to a whorehouse. I MIGHT say you SHOULDN'T go, because it's wrong. If you're having affairs with your friend's wives I might not wish to associate with you because it demonstrates low moral character. But the choice on how to live your life is yours.

The same thing applies to homsexuality. I don't know how people "become" homosexual. Is it genetic? Is it a learned response? Is it a genetic bias triggered by some outside stimulus? I don't know. I don't care in the context of how one lives their lives. I do know what the Bible says on the subject. I do know what history teaches me on the subject. I do know what biology itself has to say on the subject. With that knowledge, I have decided, for myself, that living a homosexual lifestyle is WRONG. You want to do it? Have at it. Leave me out of it. I want nothing to do with what I think is wrong.

That's all. Nothing more. I don't want anyone drawn and quartered. Don't want them burned at the stake. Don't want them legally prosecuted.

I just want to be left alone and free to associate with those that I choose, not that you choose for me. Is that really too much to ask?

John Stricker
fierofetish NOV 15, 09:36 AM
WELL SAID JOHN!! As to that UTTER rubbish about Europeans being more acceptive of homosexuality?Poppycock. Just because a bunch of pro-homosexuality Politicians being TOO damned scared for their jobs (and more often than not homosexuals THEMSELVES), passed a Law for their own convenience, does NOT imply that 'All Europeans 'accept homosexuality as normal, or nice, or pleasant.Speak for YOURSELF, if you wish, Clliff, but DON'T try putting words in other Europeans' mouths. (or anything else, for that matter.) Where is your 'mantle of impartiality' now? There was NO reason, so far as the Forum was concerned, to move the thread. And your appearing to back up the lunatic ravings of 84Bill, whether implicit or not, is unfortunate.
Having said that, I have decided to quit the Forum. It has sunk to an unbelievably low level in some instances. And you apparently condone them.I don't.It takes a LOT to make me mad, but I am now.
Thanks for a couple of PLEASANT years of being able to laugh, joke, cry and sympathise with good people. Now, the lunatics are taking over the asylum.
It makes me sad to see so many of the decent Folk no longer posting on this Forum. Perhaps I can start again where THEY have gone.
I don't remember EVER having posted in a thread in the trashcan..in fact I don't remember a thread that was worth pursuing here. This one has hit close to home, and I am thoroughly sickened by it.