2.8 putting out 250hp lol (Page 5/13)
Patrick FEB 18, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by jscott1:

So expressing one's opinion is now considered "thoughtless comments"?



I took more offence to how you addressed Blooz than to your original comments describing the car. I doubt Blooz has ever addressed you in a non-respectful manner, and yet you felt the need to respond to him in a condescending tone. Was that really necessary?


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Originally posted by jscott1:

Sorry if I offended anyone's delicate sensitivities....
dobey FEB 18, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by dratts:

I don't see how the car can be described as "ugly" I can't see a lot of difference between it and a real one but even if it is not exact does it have to be exact or it's ugly? Every car I have ever customized became 'not exact' but they were always an improvement in my eyes. Obviously beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and my current rebody is not 100% exact and there are many legitimate criticisms that could be made. Ugly is not a nice thing to say.



No. I've seen plenty of ugly real Ferraris and Lambos too.
dobey FEB 18, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Bloozberry:
Thanks for your opinion dobey, it matters as much to me, as mine apparently does to you. If this thread were specifically about Troy's Enterra, my posts would remain exactly as they are. In fact, it wouldn't matter if it were about anyone else's car either, including yours. However, in a thread specifically targeting your car as "ugly as sin", I sincerely doubt you would be on the same soap box.

If you want to express an opinion designed to offend others, do it in O/T. You keep spilling that crap over into the rest of the forum under the guise of free speech and I can guarantee I will not be the only one to leave. Your belief that an individual's right to speak his mind trumps everyone else's right to a non-confrontational forum has obviously served you well so far.



I really don't care if you think my car is ugly or not. Heck, it's ugly to me right now too. It's been sitting in my garage basically unmoved for a few years, collecting dust, and some mice got into it. It's ugly and it smells bad. My truck is pretty ugly right now too, because we got about 6" of snow and ice a couple nights ago, and I live in the south, so everyone here is totally unprepared for such a storm. Now my beautiful truck is covered in salty sludge.

I don't spill any crap over from O/T into the rest of the forum. I don't even go into the O/T forum. And I do not have that belief about free speech. One's freedoms end when they then prevent another from perusing their freedoms. However, jscott1, no2pencil, nor myself, using the word ugly to describe a car prevents you, nor anyone else, from thinking it is not. You are still free to think that, and say so, just as we are free to think it is ugly, and to say so. Because neither of those personal opinions on the looks of a vehicle, prevents the other party from holding to their own personal opinions of the vehicle.
jscott1 FEB 18, 03:51 PM


Okay rather than watch this post go down in flames I'll offer a heart felt apology...

I'm sorry if someone's hard work and dedication was disparaged. It was not to my liking, but I should have more carefully considered the owner's feelings. I know my cars are not perfect by any stretch and everyone is entitled to an opinion. If you don't like them so be it, I don't take offense if you don't like my cars. I didn't mean anything personal against the owner if he's on here... I'm sorry.

Blooz - sorry my apology was "tongue in cheek" as you say and not sincere I was not trying to be cheeky and it's difficult to see tone in the written word, so maybe I didn't chose my words carefully enough. I was trying to state my opinion on replicas... but I've been carefully advised to follow the old advice that if you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all.

Okay everyone have a nice day.
Bloozberry FEB 18, 05:10 PM
Jscott, you are a good man. For my part, I apologize for blind-siding you with my comment. I should have PM'ed you first.

Dobey, I'll be PM'ing Cliff to get his opinion whether he believes there is a place on this forum for threads designed specifically to single out other people's cars for the purpose of posting derogatory comments. If he believes, like you appear to, that it's fine, then I no longer have an interest participating in this forum. It's a principle that I cannot easily let go of. I am tired of fighting for what I believe to be common decency among members. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know when that line has been crossed no matter how you spin it.
jscott1 FEB 18, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Bloozberry:

Jscott, you are a good man. For my part, I apologize for blind-siding you with my comment. I should have PM'ed you first.

Dobey, I'll be PM'ing Cliff to get his opinion whether he believes there is a place on this forum for threads designed specifically to single out other people's cars for the purpose of posting derogatory comments. If he believes, like you appear to, that it's fine, then I no longer have an interest participating in this forum. It's a principle that I cannot easily let go of. I am tired of fighting for what I believe to be common decency among members. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know when that line has been crossed no matter how you spin it.



Blooz thanks for accepting my apology. I was taken aback by the reaction to my post. I've deleted my comments as I don't want to perpetuate any negative thoughts.

I hope there is never a section for specifically posting derogatory comments. I would hope that we have more respect for members vehicles. The anti-forum had a section specifically for making fun of PFF. It was a sad thing really.

[This message has been edited by jscott1 (edited 02-18-2015).]

Bloozberry FEB 18, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by jscott1:
I've deleted my comments as I don't want to perpetuate any negative thoughts.



Ditto.
dobey FEB 18, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by Bloozberry:

Jscott, you are a good man. For my part, I apologize for blind-siding you with my comment. I should have PM'ed you first.

Dobey, I'll be PM'ing Cliff to get his opinion whether he believes there is a place on this forum for threads designed specifically to single out other people's cars for the purpose of posting derogatory comments. If he believes, like you appear to, that it's fine, then I no longer have an interest participating in this forum. It's a principle that I cannot easily let go of. I am tired of fighting for what I believe to be common decency among members. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know when that line has been crossed no matter how you spin it.



Blooz, you are confused. I do not believe there is a place on this forum to single out other cars for such purpose. However, I did not create this thread, either.

Perhaps you would like to call out everyone else in this thread who made a comment about how it doesn't have 250 hp, too, and not just the ones who state that they do not like the looks of the car?

I don't know what your issue is with me personally, but you are making many wild and grandiose assumptions about me, when the only thing I did was respond to your own condescension of a couple other members, and claim that I too thought it was ugly. That is all I ever said on the matter. I think it's ugly, and there are many subtle differences from the original which make it that way. I'm glad it's a Fiero that's still alive and rolling. If you want to buy it and fix whatever problems you think it has, then by all means do so. Your responses to my posts on this thread though, have clearly been about more than just this thread. If you have some problem with me, then please PM me to discuss it, and don't turn on a tirade against me in threads, for things you seem to think I do or have done consistently, though I haven't.
Bloozberry FEB 18, 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by dobey:
If you have some problem with me, then please PM me to discuss it.



PM sent.
Patrick FEB 18, 08:45 PM

For what it's worth (less and less as the Canadian dollar drops), I usually don't have a problem with anyone on this page.

I'm not into group hugs ... but yeah, I much prefer it when everyone here gets along.

For whatever reason, we all seem to be drawn to these silly little plastic cars... so let's make the best of it.