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loafer87gt
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DEC 14, 04:11 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Purple86GT:
anti gun laws make people with guns stand out. when will you people get this?
Over here you carry a gun you got som explaining to do. |
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That's because Ontario is populated with a bunch of liberal pansies like yourself. Around here in the prairies, if you don't have a gun you have some explaining to do. And look, unlike you folks out in Eastern we don't have a school shootings dotting our news headlines.
Go figure.
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kwagner
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DEC 14, 04:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Purple86GT:
Wow, don't get all upset, I can't take your little toys away. Just don't cry when you get hurt playing with it.
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Honest question: do you think these kinds of shootings would stop if all guns (minus leo/military per your prev post) were banned?
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dsnover
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DEC 14, 04:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Purple86GT:
Wow, don't get all upset, I can't take your little toys away. Just don't cry when you get hurt playing with it.
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Do you have the 'safety' knives where you are? You know, the 'anti-stab' type that are required in the UK? After all, kitchen knives are the most common weapon used in fatal stabbings. Since they outlawed guns there, it seems that 30% of the murders in the UK are committed with pointy bits of metal....
I think only licensed chefs should have good cutlery. And each knife should be registered, and have its 'knife stab pattern' registered in a database, so that the owners can be readily identified in the case of a stabbing death...
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lurker
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DEC 14, 04:18 PM
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i don't see a way to prevent this sort of thing short of putting the tsa at every school, (and mall, and stadium, and bus terminal...) and that's neither completely effective nor consistent with our civil liberties. i'd like to see some calm and civil discussion on ideas for how to deal with what seems to be a rising epidemic. calling for more gun control in general, or calling each other morons and idiots (oops, left out pansies) is not productive of solutions.
do we want a solution, or do we want to call each other names? never mind, i guess that's kind of obvious.[This message has been edited by lurker (edited 12-14-2012).]
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Darth Fiero
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DEC 14, 04:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Purple86GT:
Oh for God sakes! Throwing more weapons at a problem solves nothing!
My kids school is locked down. You can't get in unless you are buzzed in and that only gets you into the lobby were you can speak to an administrator who then will call your child out or escort you in.
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According to CBS News, they had such "safety" protocols in-place...
http://newyork.cbslocal.com...ew-safety-protocols/
But it failed because this nutcase knew how to get around it. He ignored laws and did what he did using whatever means he wanted to. If he didn't have a gun, he could have simply walked into that classroom with something else like a knife, 5 gallons of gas, or you-name-it and still committed mass murder. Bad people do bad things, so how are you going to stop them? With a sign that says "no weapons allowed"? They've tried that in city-wide areas and IT DOESN'T WORK. Look at Chicago, for example.
If at least some of the teachers and/or administration were armed, this nutcase could have been stopped. But if the state of CT has the same laws as my state does, NO ONE except for an on-duty police officer is supposed to go onto school property with a gun.
When the hell are you anti-gun nuts going to wake up and realize that "gun free zones" are zones that criminals and people with criminal intent know contain lambs for the slaughter!
I pray for these families who have lost loved-ones. I just wish we would give a "fighting chance" to people who work in these areas so they would have the opportunity to defend themselves and those who are in their care.[This message has been edited by Darth Fiero (edited 12-14-2012).]
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Purple86GT
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DEC 14, 04:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by kwagner:
Honest question: do you think these kinds of shootings would stop if all guns (minus leo/military per your prev post) were banned? |
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No I do not, I do however think that some can be averted or the consequences can be less severe.
Gun laws will never prevent PLANNED attacks. they will virtually stop unplanned aggressions.
You also need to factor in the average Joe with sub average training on the proper use of a firearm. The training you need to have the "right" to carry a firearm is ridiculous. Where I work we have stringent training (over a year), follow-up training, psych test, etc. to carry a weapon. Armed personnel are trained to not pull out their weapon unless they are POSITIVE of the results. You do not want to cause a panic reaction from the other party with a weapon, you do not want hostages, etc..[This message has been edited by Purple86GT (edited 12-14-2012).]
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Purple86GT
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DEC 14, 04:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by loafer87gt:
That's because Ontario is populated with a bunch of liberal pansies like yourself. Around here in the prairies, if you don't have a gun you have some explaining to do. And look, unlike you folks out in Eastern we don't have a school shootings dotting our news headlines.
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LOL! ok, I didn't think we had the whole "liberal pansies" thing up here, but sure, whatever. 
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Lambo nut
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DEC 14, 04:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Purple86GT:
No I do not, I do however think that some can be averted or the consequences can be less severe.
Gun laws will never prevent PLANNED attacks. they will virtually stop unplanned aggressions.
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I'll bet you can't answer this question either. HOW?
Remember, in the land of the blind, a one eyed man is king, and when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns, etc.etc.
Kevin
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loafer87gt
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DEC 14, 04:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Purple86GT:
No I do not, I do however think that some can be averted or the consequences can be less severe.
Gun laws will never prevent PLANNED attacks. they will virtually stop unplanned aggressions.
You also need to factor in the average Joe with sub average training on the proper use of a firearm. The training you need to have the "right" to carry a firearm is ridiculous. Where I work we have stringent training (over a year), follow-up training, psych test, etc. to carry a weapon. Armed personnel are trained to not pull out their weapon unless they are POSITIVE of the results. You do not want to cause a panic reaction from the other party with a weapon, you do not want hostages, etc..
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And what prytell is an "unplanned aggression?" The gun registry that you folks out east seemed to have such a love affair with did not reduce gun violence one damn bit. If someone wants to find a way to kill, they will - firearm or not. Look at the mass murder that took place in China where the weapon of choice was a knife. The problem is the individual, not the damn weapon.
And why am I also not surprised that you work for the Government of Canada. Perhaps a bitter leftover from the Martin / Chretien days jaded that their registry was axed?[This message has been edited by loafer87gt (edited 12-14-2012).]
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CoryFiero
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DEC 14, 04:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by lurker:
i don't see a way to prevent this sort of thing short of putting the tsa at every school, (and mall, and stadium, and bus terminal...) and that's neither completely effective nor consistent with our civil liberties. i'd like to see some calm and civil discussion on ideas for how to deal with what seems to be a rising epidemic. calling for more gun control in general, or calling each other morons and idiots (oops, left out pansies) is not productive of solutions.
do we want a solution, or do we want to call each other names? never mind, i guess that's kind of obvious.
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A good start would be to take down those pesky "no concealed carry" signs from schools, let teachers, principals, visitors, whoever has a concealed carry permit, carry in schools. Right now criminals know it's like shooting unarmed fish in a barrel. It's much harder to shoot fish in a barrel when you don't know what fish can shoot back.
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