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82-T/A [At Work] MAY 29, 02:09 PM
Hah LOGO...

My wife has a book called "Cult Classic Movies". One of the things we do together when we have time, is go through the list of movies in the index in the back, and make it a point to watch all of them. Usually we do it in alphabetical order, and sometimes one of us picks one at random.

However, a couple of the movies we watched that we had "TiVo'ed" were playing on the LOGO channel.

It never occured to me that that channel is a homosexual channel, but it all makes sense now.

Of all the movies we saw that happened to be on that channel, they were:


- ABBA - The Movie
- Some movie in Dutch from Holland (name escapes me) about a lesbian woman, and her "life" basically.
- Some other movie (forget the name) about some dude (Brendan Fraiser) who hangs out with the guy who played Count Dracula in all the old original movies, and they did gay stuff together.
- Some movie (also forget the name) about a woman who protests something... (fell asleep during that one), played by the red headed girl from Sex in the City


totally makes sense now... hahah...

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Todd,
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1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 350

frontal lobe MAY 29, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:


The God of the bible said nothing. There is no god to quote. There is only what some men claim a non-existent god said.



Phranc, you know I'm friends with you and I highly respect you, so I'm not going to get into a contest with you that serves no purpose. But I will ask you to look at the way I worded it.

I intentionally put "the God of the bible". Even if I accede to your point that only what some men claim a non-existent god said, it is these men that you believe wrote the bible. And what these men wrote, they claimed they were writing what (to you the non-existent) the God of the bible said.


So what you wrote did nothing to refute what I said, and is actually wrong.

The point isn't whether the God of the bible said something. That is established by the writers of the Bible. I mean, it is in there. As put in by the writers.

Whether the men were expressing the exact sentiments of a real, genuine God as they portrayed Him in the Bible, or whether it is a non-existent god that they only claimed he said, yeah, that is an issue people can discuss.

But out of respect for you, Phranc, that wouldn't be a discussion I would have with you unless you specifically asked me to have. Because I know from experience where you stand and how you feel, and I'm your friend, and I'm not going to intentionally try to talk about something that I know you wouldn't want to talk about and are sick of getting brought up.

Hope you'll take that all in the spirit I mean it.
Phranc MAY 29, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by frontal lobe:


Phranc, you know I'm friends with you and I highly respect you, so I'm not going to get into a contest with you that serves no purpose. But I will ask you to look at the way I worded it.

I intentionally put "the God of the bible". Even if I accede to your point that only what some men claim a non-existent god said, it is these men that you believe wrote the bible. And what these men wrote, they claimed they were writing what (to you the non-existent) the God of the bible said.


So what you wrote did nothing to refute what I said, and is actually wrong.

The point isn't whether the God of the bible said something. That is established by the writers of the Bible. I mean, it is in there. As put in by the writers.

Whether the men were expressing the exact sentiments of a real, genuine God as they portrayed Him in the Bible, or whether it is a non-existent god that they only claimed he said, yeah, that is an issue people can discuss.

But out of respect for you, Phranc, that wouldn't be a discussion I would have with you unless you specifically asked me to have. Because I know from experience where you stand and how you feel, and I'm your friend, and I'm not going to intentionally try to talk about something that I know you wouldn't want to talk about and are sick of getting brought up.

Hope you'll take that all in the spirit I mean it.



So you admit that the god of the bible is fictional? Thats the only way I would be wrong. And if you do admit that the god of the bible is fictional how can you use it to justify anything?
ray b MAY 29, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Slayre:


Your born straight. You choose to be gay.Check any poll conducted by gay people. Almost 90% of all homosexuals have had intercourse with someone of the opposite sex, but CHOSE to have relations with same sex. So to me it is a CHOICE. My Book ? I guess your refering to the Bible? Typical answer for someone who doesnt believe or want to practice Christianity. But its ok, It's your CHOICE.




sorry but like a lot of rightwing dogma that just is not true
I think gays are born not made that way by choice
I do believe in free will but some things are beyond control or choice

BTW pork is banned in the bible
but I see no christians burning down pig farms or bar-b-que places

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avengador1 MAY 29, 03:08 PM

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On a societal level, I AM against ANY attempts to redefine long standing words with precise definitions. Period.



Even Websters updates the dictionary, as meanings of words change and language evolves. They aren't written in stone.
I guess you think a "gay" person is someone who is happy all the time. That definiton has been changed over the years.


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Marriage is a man and a woman. It is a definition. What they are doing may be a close copy. It isn't a marriage.



Besides not being able to have children, how is a gay marriage different? What if they adopt children, does that still make it different?


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Regarding is the love unnatural, the God of the Bible says it is



Can you tell me exactly where this quote of God is in the Bible? Humans are classified as animals, unless you think we are some sort of vegetable or mineral.


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Regarding shouldn't matter what people do behind closed doors. Agreed. I don't care. But they (and my wife and I, too) don't just live behind closed doors. We live in a society.



And do you do some things behind close doors that you consider private? I bet you do. There are things all of us do that are no one elses concern. What does that have to do with living in society?


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Regarding finding homosexuality disgusting, I personally would.



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I have several homosexual friends. They know how I feel. Yet they love me and I love them. We always hug when we see each other. Just like many of my heterosexual friends, male and female, do.



Is it me or aren't those statements a bit hypocritical?


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Regarding marriage being a church thing, I'm not hung up on that. But regarding whether in a church or a civil ceremony, a marriage is a man and a woman. It is the definition of the word.



The definiton has been changed. Look at webster's. Read number 4 and number 10
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/marriage


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I guess you are just plain "old fashioned".


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On a societal level, I AM against ANY attempts to redefine long standing words with precise definitions. Period.



If you are so hung up on the use of a word you need to get over it. Many other cultures and religions have used the word "marriage" for millenia. Their definiton may not be the same as your definiton of it. I guess they are all wrong too. The word "marriage" is not exclusive to the Catholic church or it's members. If you think this is so your are wrong.
Would you be satisfied if gay couple use any of these other words instead?
Matrimony, wedding, nuptials.
These are terms for the ceremony uniting couples in wedlock, or would these still not satisfy you?

[This message has been edited by avengador1 (edited 05-29-2009).]

htexans1 MAY 29, 03:11 PM
I am a heterosexual male. (Straight that is)

My take on Gays/Lesbians getting married?

I could care less. Their wishes (to be married) have no impact on my happiness.

I almost never see eye to eye (agree) with Neptune on many issues but I would side with him on this one. If they want marriage, let them (Gays) have it.
frontal lobe MAY 29, 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:


So you admit that the god of the bible is fictional? Thats the only way I would be wrong. And if you do admit that the god of the bible is fictional how can you use it to justify anything?



I'm going to try again, Phranc, but you just need to know I'm not trying to win any debate or to prove any point.

Certain men wrote or authored the bible.
The men wrote about a certain God with certain characteristics.


I decided to call the God as these men portrayed Him in the bible as "the God of the bible".
I did that to differentiate what other people call gods because many people have their own opinion.
I then stated specifically that this, as I called it, "the God of the bible" (as portrayed by these men) says that homosexuality is unnatural and is wrong.

What is said that you said was wrong, or incorrect, was when you said, "The God of the bible said nothing."

Well, Phranc. I'm not trying to nitpick at all. Nor am I trying to make you look bad. Maybe it would have been more acceptables to say you misinterpreted what I said.

But "The God of the bible" DOES say lots of things. In the bible. Whether you view him as a fictional character or the genuine God wasn't my point.

Just as in other books, so and so said. Pick someone. Tom Sawyer said... Well, no, Mark Twain said it.
Well, of course. But that is the context I was speaking in.

I'm just trying to help you understand what I was saying.

This is NOT some contest I'm trying to win so again, I'm not discussing it in that manner. I'm just trying to clarify.
Carver1 MAY 29, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:


The God of the bible said nothing. There is no god to quote. There is only what some men claim a non-existent god said.



Prove it. Obviously you can't. You had better pray that you are right.

Jake_Dragon MAY 29, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:

The God of the bible said nothing. There is no god to quote. There is only what some men claim a non-existent god said.



And yet he still loves you.
Boondawg MAY 29, 05:52 PM
How you can tell God loves you: He hasn't killed you called you home yet!