Sorry but i gotta ask, whats the story with Archie and Cletus? (Page 5/20)
Pyrthian JAN 08, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by pacethis:
The thing is, it doesn't have to be the end of the story. So, the guy says he knew a guy that had a V8 in one...

So say to the guy, yeah - I know a couple of people that did that to...then discuss the pros/cons of each setup. I used to have a Northstar powered 86GT Fiero. I currently have a 3800SCS1. I prefer the current setup, it's more fun to drive. Does that mean I don't like V8's in Fieros...no! I think they're awesome...but so are the 3800SC ones, and there are more as well.

Archie has done wonders for the Fiero community, especially in regards to sparking interest and creativity. I personally don't think his conversions are the greatest, I looked at buying a car a few years ago that he'd done and didn't like the way the belt setup had to extend into the wheel well...but there are difficulties/imperfections associated with many setups.

In short, the guy doing the bashing is a loser. He needs to get a life.



ever see the movie Spinal Tap? it goes to 11. you can spout all your stats & truth all day long - dont matter. that one had a V8. it goes to 11. yours is cute - but that had a V8.
Formula88 JAN 08, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by Pyrthian:


ever see the movie Spinal Tap? it goes to 11. you can spout all your stats & truth all day long - dont matter. that one had a V8. it goes to 11. yours is cute - but that had a V8.



And I believe it's because of this so many V6 owners have a chip on their shoulder and feel like they have something to prove. There are lots of V6 swaps out there that are as fast or faster than some V8 swaps, but when you pop the decklid, you have to start explaining and showing time slips and trying to convince the guy your car is actually fast.

That has nothing to do with V8 owers. But many (not all) V6 owners feel they have to knock the V8 off some imaginary pedastle because they don't get the same ooohs and aaahs when they pop the decklid.
Pyrthian JAN 08, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:
And I believe it's because of this so many V6 owners have a chip on their shoulder and feel like they have something to prove. There are lots of V6 swaps out there that are as fast or faster than some V8 swaps, but when you pop the decklid, you have to start explaining and showing time slips and trying to convince the guy your car is actually fast.

That has nothing to do with V8 owers. But many (not all) V6 owners feel they have to knock the V8 off some imaginary pedastle because they don't get the same ooohs and aaahs when they pop the decklid.



EXACTLY. hence the V8 bashing. pure raw frustration. do all the work, all the planning, get it tuned, its fast, it kicks butt....and Joey Shlomo comes along - "I knew someone who had a 350 in HIS Fiero...." guys need other guys approval. its a very male attribute - just about all of us have this in one way or another. why we have those "what ya think of ___". why we have the shows. why we do what we do. (well, one of the reasons....)
bmwguru JAN 08, 12:49 PM
The problem is the technology of today has shifted. My next door neighbor to my shop saw my V8 Fiero and my tech's turbo BMW and said to my tech, "it must be hard to keep up with the Fiero." We both laughed. His BMW runs 10.6 in the quarter mile. My Fiero would need a big shot of NOS and slicks to do that....but it could be done.
Back in th 1980's and 1990's to go fast you needed a V8. Turbo technology back then was very limited. Mustangs and Camaros were concidered fast. Now four cylinders with huge turbos are faster.
I build customer's cars and the one that go fast have big turbos. There are a few VW's out there running mid 9's with a four or six cylinder.
The bashing is just someone's lack of self esteem. Honestly, the fastest street cars out there depend on how much $$$$ the owner wants to spend. I'm sure the 3800 engines can run in the 9's, but it all comes down to $$$$$.
Dave

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Formula88 JAN 08, 12:56 PM
You're exactly right. But in all fairness to the guy's comment about the BMW keeping up with the Fiero, your Fiero does look like it would be insanely fast with those Webers on it. That is one beautiful engine.

Back in '87 when I had my Grand National, no one believed they could be as fast as the hype. I ended up schooling a few muscle car owners - one Chevelle SS 396 owner, in particular. He gave me a heck of a run, though.

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California Kid JAN 08, 01:46 PM
One of the reasons you won't see many SBC Fiero's posting time slip under 12 seconds is a follows:

NHRA Rules for 11.00 to 11.99 Quarter Mile Cars as follows:

1. 5 Point 3 inch wide Seat Belts meeting SFI Spec 16.1

2. SFI Approved/Certified Roll Bar with more than 4 point mounting

3. SFI Approved/Certified Scatter Shield for Trans/Bellhousing

4. SFI Approved/Certified Flywheel and Clutch

5. Steel Valve Stems required in all wheels.

Most of us don't care that much about competeing in the quarter mile game, and this is part of the reason. I don't know how the people posting time slips under 12 seconds are getting away with not conforming to the rules above, but I don't think I've seen a "legal" class car in this category, posted on this site. Sure I could slap some slicks on my car and run faster, but it would immediately drop me into the category above, which I don't care to do.
buddycraigg JAN 08, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrthian:
Joey Shlomo comes along - "I knew someone who had a 350 in HIS Fiero...."



what's funny is i get that comment some times myself.
Jake_Dragon JAN 08, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Pyrthian:
Joey Shlomo comes along - "I knew someone who had a 350 in HIS Fiero...



I get that as soon as I say I have a Fiero. They don’t even wait to hear what it is. There is always some friend of the families boy friends dogs groomer that had one. Its just the first thing that comes to mind when you want something fast. In 20 years it may be the V6 SC motor that will pop into everyone’s mind.
blackrams JAN 08, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by bmwguru:
I guess I'll just have to live with that....oh pity me
Dave



Any chance of that happening disappeared when you posted pics of your wife.

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Formula88 JAN 08, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by California Kid:

One of the reasons you won't see many SBC Fiero's posting time slip under 12 seconds is a follows:

NHRA Rules for 11.00 to 11.99 Quarter Mile Cars as follows:



That's a good point. The runs I've heard about are either at tracks that don't care, look the other way, or they kick you off the track after one run below 12.00.

My personal opinion is anyone posting a time slip should be able to pass tech for the time their car is running. It's safer, and it puts everyone on an even playing field.

I know other people don't want to do this, so it's not something I'd push, but that's just my 2 cents. I think it's dangerous trying to encourage people to ignore safety rules. We do this for fun - it's not worth the unnecessary risk just to get a time slip.