Landscaper Under Fire for Refusing to Work for Gays (Page 5/65)
Scott-Wa NOV 11, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:

I agree. A little bit of a stretch here but, if I do not like Fords, am I discriminating against Ford because I won't buy one ?



Nope... but what if Ford wouldn't sell to you because of your religion or sexual orientation? Henry was a anti semite that backed Hitler, so he was heading that way, but I still own a mustang. People and companies change.
F-I-E-R-O NOV 11, 07:19 PM
What these gay guys did was worse than the landscaper. All the landscaper did was refuse to work for someone because they had a certain lifestyle. The homosexuals turned it into a "cause." If they chose not to do business with them, fine, move on to someone who will. To imply that the decision was made out of "ignorance" is really saying that they expect everyone else to accept them for who they are regardless of what they believe of feel is right. In other words- accept what we believe is right, but you don't have the right to believe what you think is right. As for me, the thought of two guys with stubby faces nuzzling in the morning and... just gives me the willy's. Am I a homophobe? I don't think so, but if I were locked in a gay bar packed with homosexual men I might turn into one rather quickly.

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jstricker NOV 11, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Boondawg:

And other religions say kill blacks, beat women, and cut the heads off Americans.
Religion is personal, and should have nothing to do with buisness.



That's your opinion


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Originally posted by Boondawg:
And I believe your bible says, "Hate the sin, but pity the sinner".



That doesn't mean I have to enable or accomodate someone that sinning either.


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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Question:
Would you do buisness with someone who hates blacks?



Not willingly, if I knew that to be the case.


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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Would you want to know that before you attempt to do buisness with them?



That's not a question I would ask, no. Nor would I ask if they were gay.


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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Would you ask them?



See above


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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Is it any of your buisness?



Not necessarily, but in this case and many others it was evidently apparent that the men were gay since the landscaper correctly determined that.


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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Would it make a difference weither you agreed or disagreed with their beliefs?



Would WHAT make a difference?


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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Meaning, do you, or can you, hand out a questioneer asking people about thier beliefs, sexual orintation, likes & dislikes, religion, family history, etc., before you do buisness with them?



No questionaire, and in the posted case it apparently wasn't necessary.


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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Or, is it that none of that is any of your buisness and should have no bearing on your desision to provide them service?





Everything has a bearing on what I choose to do and who I choose to do it with. It does with you, too, I'm just more honest about my choices. I won't lie (by omission) or tell people something they want to hear just because it's politically correct.

John Stricker
blackrams NOV 11, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:
If I was a compeating buisness I'd just rush in offer the same work for less $$$ and ride the PR wave to more jobs.



And that would be your right. But what if they were all republicans? The almighty dollar speaks loud and clear except when you truly have a moral issue with something, well, it does for some of us.

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Land of the Free because of the Brave. Most gave some, some gave all.
My imagination is the only limiting factor to my Fiero. Well, there is that money issue.

jstricker NOV 11, 07:25 PM
What if, as a mechanic, I don't like Fieros so I'm not going to work on them. It's the individual's choice to buy and drive one and my choice as to what and who I want to work for/on.

John Stricker

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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:


Nope... but what if Ford wouldn't sell to you because of your religion or sexual orientation? Henry was a anti semite that backed Hitler, so he was heading that way, but I still own a mustang. People and companies change.
cliffw NOV 11, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:
Nope... but what if Ford wouldn't sell to you because of your religion or sexual orientation?


What would be the problem...I don't like Fords anyway
j/k j/k j/k I do see your point. However it is a business decision which affects them. They are not in business for me. No one is entitled to a car like they are a public education or access to public buildings. It is the private sector just as ones personal preferences are.
jstricker NOV 11, 07:28 PM
You have NO IDEA what his concern was. He (and I) have a moral issue in associating with and working for people that CHOOSE to live a lifestyle that we believe to be wrong. If you don't, have at it Boonie, but don't MAKE ME do it.

John Stricker

PS: Interesting that now you even presume to know the mind of God.


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Originally posted by Boondawg:


I think he was more concerned that this work would better the Quality Of Life of a few gay men.
And that would have been seen as an endorsement of their lifestyle.
And his God would hate him for that.
jstricker NOV 11, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:
I throw it out there because thats the way I view intolorance. Intolorance is just a euphimism for hate and discrimination and is the reason inequities and injustice to exist.



Again, Bill, that's YOUR VIEW and YOUR OPINION and you're entitled to it, but don't MAKE ME by force of law live according to your view and that's where this is going.

John Stricker
Scott-Wa NOV 11, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by jstricker:

You have NO IDEA what his concern was. He (and I) have a moral issue in associating with and working for people that CHOOSE to live a lifestyle that we believe to be wrong. If you don't, have at it Boonie, but don't MAKE ME do it.

John Stricker

PS: Interesting that now you even presume to know the mind of God.




This is why in the Ruby Ridge incident I was fully behind the Weaver's right to be left alone. I despise their ideology but they decided to isolate themselves from those they didn't want to interact with, they didn't try to impose their viewpoint on others through discrimination. Then some idiot in our government decided they needed to make an example of them somehow and deaths resulted. I don't go poking around in a bear's den, ain't my problem unless the bear is coming into my neighborhood attacking me or my neighbors.
jstricker NOV 11, 07:40 PM
Precisely correct, Scott. They were loons. Nuts. Wacko. But they were off by themselves being loonie. They knew they didn't fit in so they left. Then the Government decided that "no, you must conform". And that's not getting better.

John Stricker

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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:


This is why in the Ruby Ridge incident I was fully behind the Weaver's right to be left alone. I despise their ideology but they decided to isolate themselves from those they didn't want to interact with, they didn't try to impose their viewpoint on others through discrimination. Then some idiot in our government decided they needed to make an example of them somehow and deaths resulted. I don't go poking around in a bear's den, ain't my problem unless the bear is coming into my neighborhood attacking me or my neighbors.