Posted the reply above.....

Wow, my first page 2, and I am going to hit 1000 posts in 3 more postings...

Loyde

"Real" egg nog or the stuff you buy in a store (which I happen to like better)?

I thought that the stuff in the store was the real thing....it's not?

The first PCM was provided by Ryan as later was found to not work correctly for this application. I cannot help that it was shipped twice before this was decided.

The second PCM was only shipped once to date at my expense.

Today Ryan has 2 of my PCM’s. He has agreed to ship them once they are boxed and I pay him via paypal $20..

I provided PCM’s for this project so Ryan was never without a PCM for Pete’s car. I never worried about core charges.

I was not going to ask for shipping charges until Ryan made the adjustment to the PCM temps points that he originally specified, and admitted that was a wrong move on his part. Then when I found the PCM provided by Ryan/Pete was not right for this project, I provided the 09380717 so they did not have to go searching for one.

Ryan made it clear to use what the customer provided in the very first phone conversation.

So in all on this total money as to who …

I was paid $125 paypal for the PCM programming and shipping.

Then after shipping 2 more times I was paid $20 via paypal..

This is where the change is made to the 09380717 now…

But theres a code error. I forgot to clarify that the codes that came up in this PCM are not the same codes as before, so it is not like I just forgot to edit them out. The codes come up independent of the OSID used in the PCM and the wiring harness. So, as sometimes it is, a second and final change has to be made.

I ship the PCM that I had 2nd day aired in at a cost of $20 for shipping. $10 for me to ship it to Ryan… He then wants the $20 to ship me my two PCMs that will be remaining after it is all done.. So, out of the $140 total paid via paypal..

Shipping PCM 1 $10
Shipping PCM 1 $10
Shipping PCM 2 $10
Receiving PCM 3 $20
Shipping PCM 3 $10
Paying Ryan to ship back my 2 PCMs $20 future date to be determined..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That’s 140-$80= $60 and this posting in PFF

This where the PCM programming is today. Its just not flawless, and I am just happy that OBDII can be hacked today.

Well, hope that clears up the PCM events..

Loyde

Sorry, I had to edit my shipping numbers....

I only got to talk with Ryan that one time on that number in his specification letter in October before all this went downhill then it was busy all the time. I guess its his computer line, with no voice mail. Then he gave me yours. I am really sorry for that..

When you started on the business affairs thing and this was NOT his cell phone... that triggered the community property thing in my mind and that was how the "arent you guys married" question came about.

Good day to you Heather... again, I am really sorry.....

Loyde

Oops.. had to edit november to october... my bad..

I can almost picture this.
He's frustrated because he's trying to find a solution to this situation. She's frustrated because it's her business phone and she really doesn't give two hoots about anything related to PCM programming. (I understand this. My wife is the same way about car stuff in general.)
Sounds like he was confused by her frustration, and just trying to determine the logistics (where the cell phone is, in relation to whomever...) instead of trying to pry into personal affairs.

I am *a master* at being misunderstood. I can ask a simple question or make a simple statement and have people mad at me for days, so I can sympathize.

Personally, if I were Ryan, I'd buy a cellphone, with caller ID. I'd just give the number to a select few people, and leave it off when I didn't want to be bothered.

As for all the OBDII stuff, it *is* cutting edge. The aftermarket SW providers (and the tuners that use that software) are always going to be playing catch-up.
Case in point... I was searching the web, looking for TSB info on my truck. It seems that for some engine/tranny combinations, GM has written multiple versions of the transmission code in order to correct "strange" shifting issues. And this is for the same model year vehicle with the same transmission. GM can't even get it right the first time (or probably even the 10th time) with their own in-house people. They're making it up as they go.
I can't begin to imagine the frustration this must create for anyone in the aftermarket who has to deal with this madness.
Especially when several hundred miles seperate two people and their equipment who really need to be in the same room, looking at the same stuff. Given *that* scenario, this could all have been resolved in a few hours, instead of days.
Again, it comes down to logistics.

I'm not taking sides, here. Merely offering my perspective, as an outsider.

Anyway, I hope you guys can shake hands and work this out. Seriously.

I too would like to see things patched up between these two installers.

You did NOT call me right after you got the first PCM from me, you emailed.

I supplied the size of the tires as written on their sidewall on the sheet I supplied. Loyde NEVER asked for INCHES so I guess I just assumed he had access to the same website data that I do that convertes metric tires size to revolutions per mile. Again, this was included on the sheet that was sent with the FIRST PCM.

WHY COULD YOU NOT HAVE TOLD ME THIS BACK IN OCTOBER IN THE FIRST EMAIL? This is where Loyde's side of the story breaks down. He NEVER told me there was going to be any issues with this programming. He did say he would have to put 99/2000 programming on our 2002 PCM but that it should work NO PROBLEM. Understand, all he had to do was admit that his software has issues from the beginning. He never did.

The customer supplied me the 2002 PCM. You can clearly see back as far as OCTOBER, Loyde NEVER RECOMMENDED that an earlier PCM be used because his software has "issues". Again another half-truth. Now he is providing a letter written 8 emails and about a MONTH LATER after the problems had come up and me and my customer were out shipping money, paying for someone's learning experience.

Again more LIES. When did I ever say I hated OBDII, Loyde? WHEN? I didn't. In fact, what I did say was I didn't appreciate how many tuning companies out there MISREPRESENT the services they claim to be able to do. Does that mean I HATE OBDII? But folks, Loyde is trying to deflect the true subject at hand: not only has he insulted me and my wife-to-be, but has tried to provide misinformation on the internet and his website about his abilities.

Would have been nice to know this because Loyde got OUR FIRST PCM in the mail ON OCTOBER 15th! Why was I not told of this software problem on that date? Why was I sent a PCM with known-falty programming that had the potential to damage the transmission due to the slipping issue?

One on one customer phone service may me free but why do I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE SHIPPING WHEN THE MISTAKES WERE ON YOUR END?

Yea you have no plans to come back in this thread, but what Loyde has left out is he emailed DHP trying to get my OBDII tuning software license revoked. Too bad before I even bought the DHP tuning software I had already ironed out an agreement with them that allowed me to buy the personal version of the tuning software so long as I restricted my custom PCM tuning to engine swaps. This is clearly stated on my website. Nice try Loyde. EVERYBODY PAY ATTENTION. This is another dirty trick Loyde has tried to pull that short changes everyone in the Fiero community. He is trying to delete my ability to provide OBDII programming so HE IS THE SOLE SUPPLIER of this service and has no competition. That way if you make him mad he can tell you too bad. Again nice try, you have proven to me and everyone here the kind of business you are trying to run.

In closing, I want to know why Loyde has not apologized to me for the insults and his prying into my personal life. I noticed in his post that he carefully omitted that part of the arguement, which is the SOLE REASON this thread exists. Again, I gave Loyde many opportunities to drop this and I would have never spoken of it again. But appearantly his ego would NOT allow him to walk away so this thread is the result.