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trigger OCT 24, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by DelawareFiero:

Yes imports DO suck. This is a Fiero forum. The F%CKING car is 20 YRS OLD. Why is that so hard to understand. No 4cyl that was made in the 80's had this kinda HP.
DUH.
RICE IS RICE. Trigger you are a RICER so I dont know why you and other people like you are here?


actually, the dsm was released in 89. the turbo models made 195hp, the nt made 130. im not a ricer. my car looks stock other than being lowered and having exhaust. no rice here. im here because i am a fiero owner. im also a realist.


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Originally posted by DelawareFiero:The whole point is if someone has 30K to spend and they get a boosted 4CYL, and they drive around like there sh!t dont stink. THEY ARE A RICER.

I understand there are sh*t talkers on here, but it doesnt matter because they are Fiero owners.

Dollar for Dollar the RICE will lose. Someone buys a 25K RICE mobile. yeah its ok for stock. Fiero owners put 25K in there Fiero. Whos gonna have a faster car?


you don't have to pay 30k for a boosted car. **** talkers are stupid, and i don't care what kind of car they drive. if you can't back it, don't say it. simple sh*t. dollar for dollar you will lose. how much is that 3800sc swap costing you? guarantee i can go 12s for far less.


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Originally posted by DelawareFiero:Just like yesterday when Fieroprek and I were Doing 70 around a 30 corner. The little 25K RICER WRX that was behind us, didnt seem to have the confidence in his NEW car? But his GIANT WING and FARTCAN helped. whaahahahahahha.

wrx's are quick cars. were you running around acting like your sh*t don't stink and racing your shadow? or was he actually trying?

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88 fiero coupe. 2.8/5 spd (last driven sept 02)
90 eclipse. 4g63t, the replacement for displacement

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Sean4852 OCT 24, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Wesley:

Im not trying to start anything sean but I just have a question....do you even own a fiero or do you even like them or are you just here to brag on your "ricer" and put down on the fiero?



I'm not trying to brag on any car, I just dont like people saying "this car is better than this car cause it was made in America so therefore its faster, more reliable, gets better gas mileage, doesn't rust as bad, paint doesn't crack, doesn't wear the roads as much, gets around better in snow and doesn't polute as much just because it came from an American plant and no other reason" If you want to get technical alot of "American cars" are not made totally in the US and alot of import cars are not made overseas but were not going to get into that either.

Aside from me hating Fords in general(long story) I like alot of cars, and I'm here because i like to see what everyone is doing with these cars as I wouldn't mind having one one day but I dont have a place to keep the cars I have already nor do I have the money to support the addictive modding habit on any more cars

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crzyone OCT 24, 04:52 PM
Bet you didn't know that a fiero was a fast car in the 80s. It would hang with a 305 camaro and not much slower than a 350 camaro. Doesn't sound like much because they are considered slow nowadays as well but for the time the fiero was hot.

Technology made todays cars fast. Putting newer technology under the decklid of a fiero doesn't make it par with todays cars, it makes it blow away 95% of the cars on the street.

I have $1500 into my 3.4dohc. It will be a high 13 second car and still looks better than 95% of the cars on the road today.

People arn't buying and modifying fieros because they cant afford any of the above mentioned stock fast cars. People like me love the looks of the fiero and the fact its mid engined. I have over 10k in my fiero and will probibly spend another 10k before its "done" There are people on this forum with probibly 40k+ into their fieros. Put almost any car beside Madcurl's car and see where the attention goes. Or Plasma.

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Buy a fiero, become a mechanic

DelawareFiero OCT 24, 07:35 PM
Hey its cool. At least I see who is a RICER on here. Basically I gave my opinion, and so did everyone else.
No hard feelings.

Dollar for Dollar was talking about BUYING a new RICE wagon. Not getting a pile of SH!T from someone.

12s? Nah too slow for me.

I'll add my reciepts from the engine when Im done.

Yes the WRX was trying. Thats all thats around here. They get a car and run around racing from stoplights, weaving in and out of traffic, etc. Its pretty sad.

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Bottles are for babies.
Dont let your babies grow up to be RICERS.
Its up to YOU to prevent RICE.

Key Of David OCT 24, 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by Trigger:

actually, the dsm was released in 89. the turbo models made 195hp, the nt made 130. im not a ricer. my car looks stock other than being lowered and having exhaust. no rice here. im here because i am a fiero owner. im also a realist.


Actually if you were a realist you would understand the inconsistancy of your statements. The Fiero stopped production as an 88 model year. Find a pre-89 stock vehicle to make your comparisons with....otherwise you're not being as real as you claim.

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trigger OCT 24, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by DelawareFiero:
No 4cyl that was made in the 80's had this kinda HP.
DUH.

i gave him proof that he was wrong. that is all.

delaware fiero. how is me buying a used eclipse any diferent than you buying a used fiero? you wanna go dollar for dollar on 11s or 10s? you won't win this argument.

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88 fiero coupe. 2.8/5 spd (last driven sept 02)
90 eclipse. 4g63t, the replacement for displacement

Sean4852 OCT 25, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by Key Of David:
Actually if you were a realist you would understand the inconsistancy of your statements. The Fiero stopped production as an 88 model year. Find a pre-89 stock vehicle to make your comparisons with....otherwise you're not being as real as you claim.

1988 Mitsubisi Starion TSi
2.6L Inline 4 Turbo
188 hp @ 5000rpm, 234 ft-lb at 2500rpm
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?modelid=2033&src=vip


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Originally posted by LoW_KeY:
hmm evo, wrx are all forced inductioned motors. If the fiero would've gotten the turbo from the factory would've been a more fair comparison.


Dont take this the wrong way, but statements like this bug me. If your making excuses for it not being a "fair" comparison because your car didnt come with a turbo and someone elses did then someone bought the wrong car. I could say "if mitsu would have put on a front mount IC on my car stock it would have been so and so much faster" but they never did so it doesn't really matter and its a wortheless point to argue. Sorry if I came off rude but things like that bug me...


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Originally posted by Mastermind:
A Fiero with a stock 3800SC would be a fairer comparison.


What is it with everyone and comparing stock cars, my car was slow when i got it in comparison to cars nowadays. You dont just sit and complain about it, you mod the car to make it faster. Saying "if gm hadn't stopped production" or "if gm had put in a 3800SC stock" has no bearing because they never did, as soon as you put one in your car its not stock anymore so your not comparing a stock car to a stock car anymore anyway.

I think its just a waste of time comparing stock cars at all, my car isn't stock so I dont care what it did when it was stock, I care about what it can do now. Thats what you guys should be more worried about, if your fiero with a 3800SC is faster than whatever car you are racing. Shouldn't matter if its a totally stock evo, little buzzbomb honda with a blue bottle or an old chevelle with a blower sticking out of the hood. It all comes down to who's car is faster...


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Originally posted by VA RICR-ETR:
agree the WRX and EVO are pretty fine cars..... But you said stock. That's like saying take a 'stock' Firehawk against something. These cars are anything but 'stock'. If you want to be accurate, than it would be 'take a stock Impreza or Lancer'. Trust me, the stock versions of those cars are terrible and I whip them frequently. Heck, even my wife's stock Saturn SL2 will whip either of cars stock anyday. Sorry.


The wrx and evo are stock cars, if they are exactly the way they came off the assembly line then they are stock. They are just not a base model POS either. Something like a ralliart, mazdaspeed or srt-4 with the mopar staged upgrades I wouldn't consider stock but if the owner has all stock parts on it that you can buy at any dealership then it is stock...


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Originally posted by Erik:
My car has a stock NA 3.4 DOHC in it and it will kill a stock eclipse turbo awd of any year ..been there done that a few times. I've beat a couple of WRX's as well. It may not be stock from the factory, but it would have been had GM not killed the Fiero in 88. The 89 prototype had one installed. Imagine how the Fiero would have evolved especially since it would be competing with the Mr2 turbo. A turbo DOHC v6 probably


"What if..." I could say if they hadn't killed off the talon it'd have a TT v6 w/ a 6 speed since there were prototypes of it but they never made them. Prototypes are not production vehicles, car companies are all out to make a buck. Higher hp means less reliability and more warranty claims, thus less money. If they didnt put a certain engine in a car or they stopped production of the car it means they weren't selling enough of them or they weren't making enough of a profit selling them. There wasn't enough call for Talons so they stopped making them in 98. Do I wish they would bring them back? Yes. Do I sit here and say "well if they hadn't killed it I would be so much faster than the new evo or wrx"? No, I break out the check book and make the car faster. I dont need to sit here and wait for mitsu to do it for me. If you guys' cars aren't fast enough dont complain cause gm didnt put a 3800sc in it stock, get out the tools and put the b*tch in yourself. Thats what this is all about, make the car faster than the original manufacturer did

All we are asking is that just because a car is a mitsu or subaru you do not call it a ricer. Alot of these cars are very potent, you need watch your step, you will meet people on the street that have fast imports, you will get a nice surprise and i dont think thier gonna care if you start makin excuses about how it woulda been if gm would have done this and this to the car had they not cut production.

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There is no replacement for: AWD, high rpm's and very very big turbo's

PontiacMan OCT 25, 12:32 AM
Ive yet to see any of the ricers here post any kind of time slip. Newsflash, 13s and 14s arent fast. 12s arent that fast either, but you're getting there.

I built an engine for my firebird that runs low 12s in a car that weighs almost 4000 lbs on street tires, and will last a LONG time...for less than $2000. Can you say the same?

I dont brag I have a "fast" car. When you can run 11s, you're getting fast. Its funny seeing all the people that run high 12s and 13s bragging on how fast you are. Dont get me wrong - Im not saying its not an accomplishment, I respect anyone that makes their engine faster, whether its running 16s or 10s, but dont act like you're fast in your 13 second car.

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iced_theater OCT 25, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by PontiacMan:

Ive yet to see any of the ricers here post any kind of time slip. Newsflash, 13s and 14s arent fast. 12s arent that fast either, but you're getting there.

I built an engine for my firebird that runs low 12s in a car that weighs almost 4000 lbs on street tires, and will last a LONG time...for less than $2000. Can you say the same?

I dont brag I have a "fast" car. When you can run 11s, you're getting fast. Its funny seeing all the people that run high 12s and 13s bragging on how fast you are. Dont get me wrong - Im not saying its not an accomplishment, I respect anyone that makes their engine faster, whether its running 16s or 10s, but dont act like you're fast in your 13 second car.


I wish I had a slow 13 second car.....Fastest car I've ever owned has been my Saturn SC2. With a 1/4 mile time of 18.2 at 78mph

Sean4852 OCT 25, 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by PontiacMan:
Ive yet to see any of the ricers here post any kind of time slip. Newsflash, 13s and 14s arent fast. 12s arent that fast either, but you're getting there.

I dont brag I have a "fast" car. When you can run 11s, you're getting fast. Its funny seeing all the people that run high 12s and 13s bragging on how fast you are. Dont get me wrong - Im not saying its not an accomplishment, I respect anyone that makes their engine faster, whether its running 16s or 10s, but dont act like you're fast in your 13 second car.



I hope your not reffering to me as a ricer, I have tinted tail lights, clear corners and window tint as my entire list of exterior mods...

Also, I never said my car was fast, not once. I think its "quick" but by no means fast.

If you were asking me for time slips I do not have any, the car was down with bad valve seals and a bad clutch for a while soon after I bought it so i wouldn't have passed tech at the track with the smoke and after I swapped heads and got a new flywheel and clutch I decided to go ahead and do a turbo, intercooler, and injector upgrade as well as some other little parts and by the time the rest of my parts get here (external wg, slim fan, ect) the tracks will be closed. Sorry to dissapoint you.


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Originally posted by PontiacMan:
I built an engine for my firebird that runs low 12s in a car that weighs almost 4000 lbs on street tires, and will last a LONG time...for less than $2000. Can you say the same?


Chevy engines are cheap to build, I look through summit and compared to what it costs to do forged internals in my car you can do it twice over in a gm engine. Thankfully however, mitsu way overbuilt the engine in these cars and unless your knockin on 10's you really need nothing more than a big turbo, big IC, big injectors, a set of cams, a fuel computer, and to know how to drive and tune to go fast. I posted a link earlier but the forum is down, Jay Haas went mid 12's for ~$2,000 including the price of the car. Not too shabby...