Somebody call a doctor...I'm dying laughing! (Page 5/40)
Toddster JUN 28, 11:15 AM
ugh.....

Somebody shot me. This book is killing me... and I LIKE reading.

It should be titled "My Summer Vacation as the President of the United States". It is all superficial recordation of events and places without ANY intraspection.

For example, In Reagan's memoirs he recounts his meeting with Gorbechov in Iceland and spends a lot of time explaining how he began to see the humanity of the man and his own perceptions of his old foe began to change and a kind of respect and trust developed. He himself grew as a person by allowing himself the opportunity to see the Premier as sincere and hopeful. The world's two most powerful nations, bitter rivals for 40 years, had grown to call each other friend! And a kind of candor we had never seen between the two countries before emerged for the first time in a generation. Good Stuff!

Here is Clinton's take on him meeting with Argentina's President, "President Carlos Menem had been a strong ally of the United States, supporting America in the Gulf War and in Haiti and adopting a strong free-market economic policy. He hosted a barbeque at the Rural Centerin Buenos Aires that included tango lessons for Hillary and me..."

200 pages to go, Where's my gun?

84Bill JUN 28, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:


Just before he gets arrested for impersonating the President.


Yeah, I can dig that. Must be why Clarke & Tennant left their posts, neither wanted to be accused of being "president".

I'm Back JUN 28, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Normington:


Someone asked this in another thread and I never saw the answer. What did Clinton actually do to make all of this happen?


Well, prosperous can take a couple avenues. A country can be prosperous while its citizens are poor, or a country can distribute its wealth and the entire country can be collectively prosperous.

Clinton signed laws to help spread the wealth through education reforms (tax breaks), welfare reform, and many other social programs designed to help people. I know you think the boom of the 90's was all about the advent of the computer, which is certainly true at least in part, but what the leadership does with that economic boom is more important than the boom itself.

We look at what Bush has done with:

1. Tax breaks for corporations
2. Education cuts
3. Medicare cuts
4. Ergonomics Bill
5. Overtime Bill
...and on, and on......

Are you aware that tuition has increased 50% over the last 2 years in Arizona universities? We can speculate that they may have regardless of who was in office, but I think there is enough supporting evidence to introduce the likelihood that Bush-enomics plays a great part in the inaccessibility to education by the poor. I know fellow students complain about virtually no grant money and fewer government loans being available. This is a dynamic matter, but having Clinton in office versus a chimp is obviously more beneficial to the poor.

So, did Clinton play a Superman and single-handedly save the world? Of course not, but he took the economic boom and ensured the poor received their piece of it.

84Bill JUN 28, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Normington:


Someone asked this in another thread and I never saw the answer. What did Clinton actually do to make all of this happen?


In short?

He starved every American social and defense (CIA, FBI, FAA Security, HeadStart, Defense contracts, Etc..) programs possible to make the deficit look smaller THEN signed NAFTA into law. The giant sucking sound of US jobs headed over seas and 9/11 can be directly attributed to his starvation of critical defense and US job security. Also he allowed for incredible tax relief for Corporate America, I just heard blurb not long ago that the GAO is a tad miffed about this oversight during hios administration.

Steve Normington JUN 28, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by I'm Back:


Well, prosperous can take a couple avenues. A country can be prosperous while its citizens are poor, or a country can distribute its wealth and the entire country can be collectively prosperous.

Clinton signed laws to help spread the wealth through education reforms (tax breaks), welfare reform, and many other social programs designed to help people. I know you think the boom of the 90's was all about the advent of the computer, which is certainly true at least in part, but what the leadership does with that economic boom is more important than the boom itself.

We look at what Bush has done with:

1. Tax breaks for corporations
2. Education cuts
3. Medicare cuts
4. Ergonomics Bill
5. Overtime Bill
...and on, and on......

Are you aware that tuition has increased 50% over the last 2 years in Arizona universities? We can speculate that they may have regardless of who was in office, but I think there is enough supporting evidence to introduce the likelihood that Bush-enomics plays a great part in the inaccessibility to education by the poor. I know fellow students complain about virtually no grant money and fewer government loans being available. This is a dynamic matter, but having Clinton in office versus a chimp is obviously more beneficial to the poor.

So, did Clinton play a Superman and single-handedly save the world? Of course not, but he took the economic boom and ensured the poor received their piece of it.


In other words, he didn't do anything to cause a good economy, he just moved money from the rich to the poor.

84Bill JUN 28, 01:12 PM
Yeah... All those poor rich people.
Steve Normington JUN 28, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

Yeah... All those poor rich people.


Yeah, how dare they want to keep some of their own money.

I'm Back JUN 28, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Normington:


In other words, he didn't do anything to cause a good economy, he just moved money from the rich to the poor.


The economy is much more dynamic than just 1 or 2 facets. But I feel one of the most important aspects of the economy from the president's perspective is to ensure no one is excluded. Your boy Hoover was the first preseident to attempt trickle down; I won't talk about the results. Trickle up works, as poor people spend their money immediately which in turn sparks the economy. You see what the Repub feds have tried with lowering the interest rate to 45-year lows to kick the economy, which isn't working after 2 years or so. What does work is to throw money where you know it will be recirculated. You can call it stealing, and I'll call what the Repubs do as hoarding, but once agin we are talking semantics with labels. What works is to include everyone, which is what the Dems usually do. Your boy funels the $$$ toward the top where the rich can keep score as if it's some little game where the millionaire with the most millions wins, while the poor die in the streets... I have to go buy an American flag, I'll talk to ya later.

84Bill JUN 28, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Normington:


Yeah, how dare they want to keep some of their own money.



Yeah, it's such a shame that they need to move their businesses overseas so they make more by incorporating cheap labor and sheltering the paultry amount taxable income they make.. I'm so glad they themselves live in the US and trickel down their millions in frivolous care free shopping sprees and buying overpriced items made in Korea, China and a few selected US companies like Ford for their fleet vehicles and corporate cell phone services...

On the bright side.
Well thank god for US Automakers Sprint MCI and their respective Unions.. Atleast some of us are still working and have a bright future.

Toddster JUN 28, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by I'm Back:

Your boy Hoover was the first preseident to attempt trickle down; I won't talk about the results.


Why not? You aren't seriously suggesting that the Great Depression had ANYTHING to do with Hoover? Insider trading, leveraged stock purchases based on promissory notes backed by worthless paper is what caused it. So go on, tell us what happened as a result of Hoover's policies?