3800 S.C. Urethane mounts now in production !!! (Page 5/8)
Danno88GT5Spd MAR 20, 09:41 AM
Will these work for an '88 GT 3800sc swap?

[This message has been edited by Danno88GT5Spd (edited 03-20-2004).]

Riceburner98 MAR 20, 10:53 AM
The 2 in the back mount on top of the 2 in the middle.. 3-peice mounts. Solid mounts would be fun though, wouldn't they?
PURPLE REIGN MAR 20, 01:35 PM
O.K. .............................I have just been informed that these work the same on 88's as any other year.


Just an FYI

Standard MAR 20, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN:

O.K. .............................I have just been informed that these work the same on 88's as any other year.


Just an FYI


Of course, if you need to test that out I happen to have a car that would be a great test bed

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WKDFIRO MAR 20, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN:

O.K. Ski........................I'm not trying to bash another vender, I'm just saying that myself and "Kev" got the same mounts at the same time and while he hasnt seen trouble yet, eveyone witnessed my front one bend as soon as it was mounted ??????

Just proving time and again the inferiority, inconsistency, and poor customer service from WCF. I also learned that you got your mounts back when ERIC was still with West Coast, in which he was the one building them and has since said himself "all that is left working there is a bunch of drunks that don't give a crap anymore"


HERE'S THE SKINNY : I installed these back when the car was built last year at this time. The front mount was repaired right after it folded over and them installed them. The car has only seen 1,900 miles of which I raced 2 Mustangs, 1 Viper, 1 Mazda, and NO TRACK TIME. It has yet to be taken to the the strip for a 1/4 mile run. I would say these mounts have seen 1/3 of the miles being driven hard. The other 2/3 came from driving to Omaha and to Michigan etc.
You would think they would be able to stand up to a high horsepower motor for longer than 1,900 miles.



Not trying to bash another vendor...
Thats rich.

First off, thank you to all those who have kept this from being such a one sided thread.

So PR, Aura when did you call WCF and tell them about the problem? What did they say to you to try to make it right? Did PR or KEV let them know (with pictures) what the problem was? Was WCF part of "everyone" that saw the engine mount bend?

Oh wait, Kev doesn't have any problems with the WCF urethane mounts.

There are people who DO run the mounts AND HAVE TRACK TIME. No problems with the mounts. There are people who are running the mounts and do run them against fast cars. We see them at our BBQ, you would think they would say something about their mounts bending like paper clips. When they put the engine in.

Is it possible to have a failure? Sure, few things made by hand are ever 100% correct. Machine made things are closer but have been known to fail as well. I've even sent out an 88 engine mount by mistake instead of 84-87. The bolt patterns are less than a 1/2 inch different. That person called me up, described the problem, I realized what happened and he sent me the wrong mount back while I sent him the correct mount free of charge and we paid the shipping to Canada. Problem solved. If you had a mount bend over on you I would have been very curious to see what would bend something over like that. You would have been asked to send it back so that it can be checked out. You would have been sent another mount in the same fashion. Being that this is the first time I've heard of it, and that you don't have them available, and that you didn't take any pictures of them, its going to remain a mystery why hundreds of people's mounts are doing fine on their hard driven Fieros as well as in more than a few 4.9 V8s, 3.4 Twin Cam Turbos and a 3.8 Turbo/Supercharged (on the same engine.) without failure.

MstangsBware, it really is a silly notion that if someone doesn't have their track times posted on the forum that they have never been on the track. It didn't really happen unless someone posts it? You mean I've never been to a track with my Fiero? Never been to a drag strip? Do you have an e-mail where EVERYONE can send you their slips so that it can be documented as real? C'mon!

Nothing can be corrected if the problem is not stated. If there is a problem with quality control, it doesn't help if WCF doesn't know about it except when it comes here on the forum. It disrupts the communication process that is supposed to be there between customer and vendor.

Besides, if the design of WCF mounts are so bad PR, then why are you copying them so closely?

Perhaps too close legally.

lildevil MAR 20, 03:48 PM
I use the WCF mounts and had absolutley no problems with fitment or reliability. And i dog the hell out of my car at the track. I was happy enough with them that i bought a set for my lil bro to do his conversion. Not adding fuel to any fire jus my experiences with WCF.

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1985 Fiero w/ 1998 Supercharged 3.8 V-6
Best ET:3.0 pulley 12.44 @ 109.19mph
2.75 pulley 12.20@ 110.90 mph


"NO Juice....Just BOOST!"

PURPLE REIGN MAR 20, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by WKDFIRO:

Not trying to bash another vendor...
Thats rich.

First off, thank you to all those who have kept this from being such a one sided thread.

So PR, Aura when did you call WCF and tell them about the problem? What did they say to you to try to make it right? Did PR or KEV let them know (with pictures) what the problem was? Was WCF part of "everyone" that saw the engine mount bend?

Oh wait, Kev doesn't have any problems with the WCF urethane mounts.

There are people who DO run the mounts AND HAVE TRACK TIME. No problems with the mounts. There are people who are running the mounts and do run them against fast cars. We see them at our BBQ, you would think they would say something about their mounts bending like paper clips. When they put the engine in.

Is it possible to have a failure? Sure, few things made by hand are ever 100% correct. Machine made things are closer but have been known to fail as well. I've even sent out an 88 engine mount by mistake instead of 84-87. The bolt patterns are less than a 1/2 inch different. That person called me up, described the problem, I realized what happened and he sent me the wrong mount back while I sent him the correct mount free of charge and we paid the shipping to Canada. Problem solved. If you had a mount bend over on you I would have been very curious to see what would bend something over like that. You would have been asked to send it back so that it can be checked out. You would have been sent another mount in the same fashion. Being that this is the first time I've heard of it, and that you don't have them available, and that you didn't take any pictures of them, its going to remain a mystery why hundreds of people's mounts are doing fine on their hard driven Fieros as well as in more than a few 4.9 V8s, 3.4 Twin Cam Turbos and a 3.8 Turbo/Supercharged (on the same engine.) without failure.

MstangsBware, it really is a silly notion that if someone doesn't have their track times posted on the forum that they have never been on the track. It didn't really happen unless someone posts it? You mean I've never been to a track with my Fiero? Never been to a drag strip? Do you have an e-mail where EVERYONE can send you their slips so that it can be documented as real? C'mon!

Nothing can be corrected if the problem is not stated. If there is a problem with quality control, it doesn't help if WCF doesn't know about it except when it comes here on the forum. It disrupts the communication process that is supposed to be there between customer and vendor.

Besides, if the design of WCF mounts are so bad PR, then why are you copying them so closely?

Perhaps too close legally.


Another WCF Nazi

The mount that bent is actually in the first pic, it has a 3/8 plate welded to it for repair.

The ones I re-engineered and am producing are different in many ways, too close legelly ???...............piss-off

I have MANY requests for these simply due to the fact of WCF reputation........................need I say anymore.

The Fieromaster MAR 20, 05:29 PM
Purple you have a PM concerning mount production
MstangsBware MAR 20, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by WKDFIRO:


MstangsBware, it really is a silly notion that if someone doesn't have their track times posted on the forum that they have never been on the track. It didn't really happen unless someone posts it? You mean I've never been to a track with my Fiero? Never been to a drag strip? Do you have an e-mail where EVERYONE can send you their slips so that it can be documented as real? C'mon!

Perhaps too close legally.



Just stating on how I saw the post, I really could care less. Of course I have an E-mail but since there is already an offical post on the Forum for 1/4 mile times that would probally be a better place to post them.

[This message has been edited by MstangsBware (edited 03-20-2004).]

The Aura MAR 20, 07:28 PM
Here are the pictures of the bad mounts, they illustrate their flaws. Please note that these are brand new stock GM mounts that the WCF poly mounts are being compared to. The GM mounts fit perfectly, but the west coast mounts would not work without major modifications. I paid west coast for mounts that would be "bolt in" not a raw baseline to mod and rework... but enough of that, i'll let the photos speak for themselves.


EDIT: i can't post these pix for some reason... can i email them to somebody that can post them?