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Falcon4
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NOV 14, 03:56 AM
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Patrick
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NOV 14, 04:09 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Red88FF:
I still hold that I will do what is in the best interest of the kids and it is MY JOB to try and protect them from harm.
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It is noble indeed that you are on the frontline protecting young landscapers around the country from predatory gay couples who may be peeking at the young lads firm butts while they mow their client's lawn. Good on ya.
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Jarhead 2m4
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NOV 14, 04:56 AM
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"Semper Fiero"
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Cliff Pennock
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NOV 14, 05:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Falcon4:
It's his ****ing right! I'm going to move to Canada or Europe or whatever the moment it becomes illegal for businesses to refuse service to people they don't want to serve! |
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That's funny, since it has been illegal for a looooooooong time here in Europe (to decline service based on race, religious believe, gender, political believe or sexual preference). It's actually the very first article in our constitution.
One thing I do agree with you. This thread doesn't belong here. I'll move it to the Trash Can for now but I don't even believe it belongs there. I'm sure many of you will disagree with me on this - so chalk this one up as a personal decision on my side.
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blackrams
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NOV 14, 06:01 AM
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Now that this thread is finally where it is, I'll make this one final post. There was no reason for this thread to end here, though both sides of this argument hold strong opinions, the discussion could have and should have remained civil. I definately line up on the side of the landscapers, not necessarily for religious reasons but because I beleve it is their right to conduct business with anyone as long as they aren't breaking the law. In this case, they were well eithin their rights. Homophobia aside, this is still America and both parties have rights. I know that some folks will almost always line up on opposing sides, some because of their political or religious beliefs, some just because they love to stir up the crap. 84Bill is one that loves to stir up crap. his posts always endup being inflamatory and calling others that don't agree with him juvenile insulting names. He says it's all about rights but when it comes to actually defending the rights of Americans, he is full of his own crap and wouldn't stand up to defend this nation other than to squeal like a little girl. He's a coward and I have absolutly no respect for anything he has to say. Not because he doesn't have a right to an opinion, because he always, always ends up insulting folks, can't remain an adult and be civil, then tries to hide behind his intrepretation of the constitution.
To 84 Bill, yes, you may flameon now. ------------------
Ron
Land of the Free because of the Brave. Most gave some, some gave all.
My imagination is the only limiting factor to my Fiero. Well, there is that money issue.
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isthiswhereiputausername?
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NOV 14, 07:46 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Now that this thread is finally where it is, I'll make this one final post. There was no reason for this thread to end here, though both sides of this argument hold strong opinions, the discussion could have and should have remained civil. I definately line up on the side of the landscapers, not necessarily for religious reasons but because I beleve it is their right to conduct business with anyone as long as they aren't breaking the law. In this case, they were well eithin their rights. Homophobia aside, this is still America and both parties have rights. I know that some folks will almost always line up on opposing sides, some because of their political or religious beliefs, some just because they love to stir up the crap. 84Bill is one that loves to stir up crap. his posts always endup being inflamatory and calling others that don't agree with him juvenile insulting names. He says it's all about rights but when it comes to actually defending the rights of Americans, he is full of his own crap and wouldn't stand up to defend this nation other than to squeal like a little girl. He's a coward and I have absolutly no respect for anything he has to say. Not because he doesn't have a right to an opinion, because he always, always ends up insulting folks, can't remain an adult and be civil, then tries to hide behind his intrepretation of the constitution.
To 84 Bill, yes, you may flameon now.
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Well said.
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jstricker
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NOV 14, 09:05 AM
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Until Falcon4 got into this I was enjoying the conversation. After that I did what he asked, I gave him a - since he told me to.
This is Cliff's house, I've said it over and over, he makes the rules and we either live by them or leave. That said, this thread for some reason upset his sensibilities. I've seen a LOT worse in the name calling, etc., on other topics, so this TOPIC must be the cause of the thread being locked and moved.
This is his right, but I'll say that I'm very disappointed in his stifling of debate. It's pretty obvious which side of this debate he is on, and that's fine by me, but to simply say "you're wrong and you're not talking about it anymore"...........well, whatever.
Let's just say it's not what I expected.
Cliff, you say this thread has made you look at people differently? Back at you, friend, and not for which side of the debate you're on, but in how you deal with people that think differently than yourself on the subject.
John Stricker
| quote | Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
That's funny, since it has been illegal for a looooooooong time here in Europe (to decline service based on race, religious believe, gender, political believe or sexual preference). It's actually the very first article in our constitution.
One thing I do agree with you. This thread doesn't belong here. I'll move it to the Trash Can for now but I don't even believe it belongs there. I'm sure many of you will disagree with me on this - so chalk this one up as a personal decision on my side. |
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USFiero
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NOV 14, 09:53 AM
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I have said it before, and would like to state again that because it is normally 'off topic' of in the 'trash can', I have a personal policy of not rating people based on their posts in these forums. I do rate if their poor behavior carries over to gen chat, tech, or if a deal goes bad in the Mall. I'm not saying everyone should follow the same rules, and I have made exceptions when it is apparent when someone creates a user name for the sole purpose of antagonizing others.
Just putting that out there before the red starts growing.
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Cliff Pennock
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NOV 14, 10:32 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
This is his right, but I'll say that I'm very disappointed in his stifling of debate. It's pretty obvious which side of this debate he is on, and that's fine by me, but to simply say "you're wrong and you're not talking about it anymore"...........well, whatever. |
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Stifling of debate? How did I do that? By moving this thread to a more appropriate section of the forum? Please show me where I "stifled the debate"? Is the "Post Reply" button hidden in this section or anything? Again, please tell me how I stifled this debate.
| quote | | Cliff, you say this thread has made you look at people differently? Back at you, friend, and not for which side of the debate you're on, but in how you deal with people that think differently than yourself on the subject. |
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Oh puh-lease. Now your just taking jabs at me. If anything, I have never, ever "dealt" with people that think differently than I do. And even in this thread I haven't "dealt" with anyone. Have I lost respect for some people here? You betcha. Anybody that says they will not shake the hand of a gay person, anybody that says homosexuality is a "choice" and they are wrong for "choosing" it, or anybody that says homosexuality equals pedophelia doesn't deserve my respect. Those people deserve my loathing. And according to you, that's my right. In fact, if I would deny a few people access to the forum here and there because I choose not to deal with people who think differently than I do on this subject, that would be ok because it's my right to decline service to anyone for whatever reason. Right?
You're wondering why I react stronger to this than other things? Maybe because I'm from another part of the world than you are. I'm from a part of the world where discrimination of people based on their sexual preference is unheard of. To us, people who think like that are still in the stone age. To us, this discussion could just as well be about colored people. And don't give me the "they choose to be gay" crap. Sexual preference is a choice? So basically everybody is bi-sexual choosing either to be hetero or homosexual? I'm sorry, but that does not fly with me.
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84Bill
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NOV 14, 11:01 AM
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I was not happy to see this thread here but after reading this post I'm actually glad..
Cliff was right. You, quite a few others and this thread ALL belong in the trash..
| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Now that this thread is finally where it is, I'll make this one final post. There was no reason for this thread to end here, though both sides of this argument hold strong opinions, the discussion could have and should have remained civil. I definately line up on the side of the landscapers, not necessarily for religious reasons but because I beleve it is their right to conduct business with anyone as long as they aren't breaking the law. In this case, they were well eithin their rights. Homophobia aside, this is still America and both parties have rights. I know that some folks will almost always line up on opposing sides, some because of their political or religious beliefs, some just because they love to stir up the crap. 84Bill is one that loves to stir up crap. his posts always endup being inflamatory and calling others that don't agree with him juvenile insulting names. He says it's all about rights but when it comes to actually defending the rights of Americans, he is full of his own crap and wouldn't stand up to defend this nation other than to squeal like a little girl. He's a coward and I have absolutly no respect for anything he has to say. Not because he doesn't have a right to an opinion, because he always, always ends up insulting folks, can't remain an adult and be civil, then tries to hide behind his intrepretation of the constitution.
To 84 Bill, yes, you may flameon now.
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