archie is gettin bashed on streetfire? (Page 44/53) WhiteDevil88 MAR 25, 09:29 AM Jayzus Fukkin Keerist, dude. I'm not the one saying that Archie should test customers cars. Damn. Jake_Dragon MAR 25, 11:07 AM quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Jayzus Fukkin Keerist, dude. I'm not the one saying that Archie should test customers cars. Damn. quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Man, I guess it takes a couple of repititions. I'm not the guy saying that you should be hammering on other peoples cars. Read it again. I suggested that customers might find benefit from testing their own cars. I'm saying that there is a gap in your product line, and I would assume that you do have access to a car of your own to test? Did I read that wrong? I think everyone should give it a rest, Im out. WhiteDevil88 MAR 25, 02:58 PM quote Originally posted by crzyone: For your customers sake, you should figure out a cold air system. They are not installing LSX engines for the sound. Might as well help them get the most performance out of the engines as possible. This was the post that I was referring to, I don't know what you're thinking about. craigsfiero2007 MAR 25, 05:19 PM quote Originally posted by crzyone: For your customers sake, you should figure out a cold air system. They are not installing LSX engines for the sound. Might as well help them get the most performance out of the engines as possible. I am sure that Archie could do that for a price, if its not included in the standard installation price, then, duh, its not going to be installed. But I am sure for a little bit more money Archie will be happy to fabricate and install one. If Archie wants to offer it as a standard in his installations, great, but it is HIS BUSINESS. Like I said before, if you think you can do better than Archie in installing engines in Fieros at his price or cheaper, Prove It!!!!!!!! Open your own business, then we can all see. crzyone MAR 25, 09:02 PM Why are you taking old quotes and arguing them? Is it because I said I wouldn't post in here anymore? Kind of like taking a sucker punch isn't it? You should have made your comment days ago. Thanks for playing. WhiteDevil88 MAR 25, 10:28 PM I just don't comprehend the knee jerk touchieness of the Friends of Archie regarding any engineering input. There is certainly no comfrontation in a custom build thread when someone suggests a different headlight or fender. Its called getting feedback from your market. Archie could say,"Thanks for your input." and some slow day at the shop whip up something that you can sell for another couple of hundred bucks. Easypeasyjapanesey. Blue Shift MAR 25, 10:29 PM I think the point here, is that a forum is for the sharing of information. When people want to know what real life Archie swaps do, one would be safe to assume that they're looking for real life data that will assist them in making their decision. That's a LOT of money to spend, so I would consider it a wise choice to completely investigate it all before taking the plunge or making any plans. I researched for half a year before building my 3.4 DOHC swap, and since people shared valid information, what I got out of it met (exceeded, really) my expectations and helped me along. You have a lot of people interested in building SBC swaps for the awesome factor - but it seems that requests for proof SBC claims are considered trolling. What about potential customers looking into a future project? How does Joe Blow know that an LM1 universal replacement engine doesn't make 300HP in a Fiero as it comes? From a GM rated crate engine, to finished swap, what real life performance numbers will you see? Crate motors are measured on an engine dyno with optimal exhaust, induction, and tuning. How much does it make as installed? How does one achieve every last bit of it when it's installed? What about suggestions and improvements? The new aluminum flywheels are a VERY good improvement, as agreed upon by everybody - and have been long suggested by many people that thought the original to be way too heavy. These people questioning the original design were labeled "trolls" and their objections were ignored. Why? A cold air intake is a very simple addition, and many suggestions are put forward all the time about implementing such a setup as an option or standard feature of the Archie kits. But these people are labeled trolls and their opinions ignored. Why? Are suggestions themselves an insult somehow? Everybody else in the swap community freely raise questions, offer suggestions, or question things that don't seem right (and could be potentially be mistaken for truth), without any problems, fights, trolling, or the like. One would think that in a commercial venture, a buisiness owner would be making friends with people, while blowing your doors off with the latest and greatest - the ultimate sales tool. I understand that Archie ends up under a lot of fire, but I'm saying that grace under fire, backed by solid performance is the ultimate way to defeat the naysayers, while gaining respect all around. craigsfiero2007 MAR 25, 10:46 PM quote Originally posted by crzyone: Why are you taking old quotes and arguing them? Is it because I said I wouldn't post in here anymore? Kind of like taking a sucker punch isn't it? You should have made your comment days ago. Thanks for playing. Look at the post above mine. I haven't taken any sucker punches. No, I didn't post that because you said you wouldn't post here anymore, I could careless if you posted again or not. I am just voicing my opinion, which I am allowed to do. I am just saying if anyone on here or any other forum thinks they can run a better business than Archie is running, Prove It. Talk is cheap. Archie is just running a business, if you don't like the way he does things, don't purchase any products or services from him. I bet most of the people that have been bashing Archie haven't owned a product from Archie or have had a service provided from him, it just one persons bad experience blown up by other people. I think if you haven't owned a product from him or recieved a service from him, you shouldn't give any input on how he should do things. Thinking is different from knowing. I didn't know this was a game. FieroJimmy MAR 25, 11:15 PM quote Originally posted by craigsfiero2007: I think if you haven't owned a product from him or recieved a service from him, you shouldn't give any input on how he should do things. So, by this logic, if you haven't received a product or service from crzyone, you shouldn't have any input on what he does? Or, that the opinion of someone who's never owned a GM product doesn't matter in the design of a new car? Or, a person who's never been in a particular restaurant shouldn't be able to suggest that they go smoke free? When you are running a business everyone's opinion matters. Your customer's opinion matters (are they happy with the product). But also, people who haven't bought from you matter. Do they need the product you make? Do they like the looks of your product? Do they like your reputation for customer service? Do they think something should/could be changed? Are they more likely to buy if that is changed? A business can only sell to the same product to the same people so many times. Eventually you need a new product, or a new customer. Restaurants change their menus all the time, car makers update and change models, even banks improve/change their offerings in an effort to keep existing customers and win over new ones. The logic of this statement, to say nothing of the argument behind it, is inherently flawed. A business that ignores potential customers will always leave money on the table, and most people who are in business are in it to make the most money they can. (<-- Just ask any Democrat, businesses are only after the profit, nothing else matters. ) Oreif MAR 26, 06:39 AM quote Originally posted by Blue Shift: I think the point here, is that a forum is for the sharing of information. You have a lot of people interested in building SBC swaps for the awesome factor - but it seems that requests for proof SBC claims are considered trolling. What about potential customers looking into a future project? How does Joe Blow know that an LM1 universal replacement engine doesn't make 300HP in a Fiero as it comes? From a GM rated crate engine, to finished swap, what real life performance numbers will you see? Crate motors are measured on an engine dyno with optimal exhaust, induction, and tuning. How much does it make as installed? How does one achieve every last bit of it when it's installed? What about suggestions and improvements? The new aluminum flywheels are a VERY good improvement, as agreed upon by everybody - and have been long suggested by many people that thought the original to be way too heavy. These people questioning the original design were labeled "trolls" and their objections were ignored. Why? A cold air intake is a very simple addition, and many suggestions are put forward all the time about implementing such a setup as an option or standard feature of the Archie kits. But these people are labeled trolls and their opinions ignored. Why? Are suggestions themselves an insult somehow? Everybody else in the swap community freely raise questions, offer suggestions, or question things that don't seem right (and could be potentially be mistaken for truth), without any problems, fights, trolling, or the like. One would think that in a commercial venture, a buisiness owner would be making friends with people, while blowing your doors off with the latest and greatest - the ultimate sales tool. I understand that Archie ends up under a lot of fire, but I'm saying that grace under fire, backed by solid performance is the ultimate way to defeat the naysayers, while gaining respect all around. The thing is there are a few who have actually spent the time and money to get the data. The data is out there and if you research it, You can find the information to make a sound decision. Just doing a seach here, There are four Fiero's powered by ZZ4 crate engines that have been dyno'd. Three of the swaps were installed by the vendor and one was done by the owner. The ZZ4 is rated at 355hp and the four ZZ4 powered Fiero's have dyno'd 296rwhp, 306rwhp, 309 rwhp, and 309rwhp. This data alone should show that a crate engine swapped into a Fiero only loses about 13-14% thru the driveline. With four verified installs, that should provide true info for someone considering the swap, Right? The problem is a select group of individuals has made it their goal in life to harass anyone with a particular swap because the head instigator has an obsession with the vendor. This leads to stereotyping and hate. When you have been constantly harassed, it is difficult to sort out the constructive criticism from the hate mongers because you feel you need to be on the defensive all the time. How do you think any vendor or person would act if for the past 4 years you AND your happy/loyal customers were constantly harassed both on a forum and thru E-mails?? Go onto YouTube or Streetfire and look at every SBC Fiero video and you will see the hate-mongers have posted hateful comments on all of them. Some of them have never heard of PFF or RFT but yet they are being harassed only because of their engine choice.