Landscaper Under Fire for Refusing to Work for Gays (Page 42/65) texasfiero NOV 13, 11:43 PM Yeah, I saw the jstricker NOV 13, 11:43 PM Gun Control? What conservative group wants that? Vulgarity or Censorship? Wasn't that Tipper Gore's cause? What Alcohol controls have been proposed or pushed? In our county here a referendum to allow sunday beer sales just passed last week. Prostitution illegality has been a cause pushed by religious groups in the recent past? You sure are blaming the Christian right for a lot of things they have little or nothing to do with. John Stricker quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Wrong By enforcing laws it is becoming more and more apparent what religion is being established by congress and the government and is in violation with the FIRST AMENDMENT prohibiting the formation of a religious establisment. I can call you a jackass right up front or I can do it in so many words.. Alcohol controls Abortion Gun Control Vulgarity or Cencorship Anti Drug laws Prostitution On and on and on ALL Are Christian moral battlefronts.. ALL are in contention with CIVIL LIBERTIES Looks like a Jackass to me. 84Bill NOV 13, 11:48 PM quote Originally posted by texasfiero: Again Bill, You're bending the constitution to make it say something id DOES NOT say. Would you have all the items and activities you listed run unrestricted. True to liberal nature, when you can't argue the facts, fall back to name calling. Lets see.. quote Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Christians have been squalking and bible thumping " MORAL VALUES " regarding their religious beliefs on the following subjects... Alcohol Abortion Guns Vulgarity or Cencorship Drugs Prostitution Gay marriage On and on and on Congress has established laws which prohibit or strictly limit these civil liberties. Alcohol Abortion Guns Vulgarity or Cencorship Drugs Prostitution Gay marriage Well **** me...I guess you think I'm stupid.. I bet congress does too. Anyone else think I'm stupid???? COME ON.. take the shot. I see whats happening and I'm not alone. Patrick's Dad NOV 13, 11:48 PM Bill's got more time on his hands than I do. I have to make sure my kids get up and ready for their Christian schooling tomorrow. Cya. 84Bill NOV 13, 11:49 PM Anyone else want to take this ball? I'm done for now.. Need smokes. texasfiero NOV 13, 11:51 PM quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Christians have been squalking and bible thumping " MORAL VALUES " regarding their religious beliefs on the following subjects... Alcohol Abortion Guns Vulgarity or Cencorship Drugs Prostitution Gay marriage On and on and on Congress has established laws which prohibit or strictly limit these civil liberties. Alcohol Abortion Guns Vulgarity or Cencorship Drugs Prostitution Gay marriage Well **** me...I guess you think I'm stupid.. I bet congress does too. Anyone else think I'm stupid???? COME ON.. take the shot. I see whats happening and I'm not alone. Then I'd say Congress is a TOTAL failure in enforcing the laws they've enacted. texasfiero NOV 13, 11:53 PM quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Anyone else want to take this ball? I'm done for now.. Need smokes. G'nite Bill. Seeya 84Bill NOV 13, 11:57 PM quote Originally posted by texasfiero: Then I'd say Congress is a TOTAL failure in enforcing the laws they've enacted. Yeah... tell that to the guys in prison paying their pennance to cristions for getting cought with a controlled substanbce.. got stopped at a sobriety checkpoint... Had a gun in their car without a "permit" from the local government.... Wanted to pay a woman for sex... Played loud music that was deemed "vulgar"... Yeah.. Ask them how well congress is doing at fighting for their civil liberties. jstricker NOV 14, 12:01 AM Most of these are actualy governed by STATE law, which is as the Constitution intended. Alcohol I know of few, if any, FEDERAL laws regarding who may or may not consume alcohol. Plenty of state and local ordinances, but no Federal. Abortion Abortion is one of those things that the Supreme Court has actually LIBERALIZED or overturned state laws Guns On this point I agree with you, the feds are sticking their noses in and restricting things they have actually been prohibited in doing Vulgarity or Cencorship Mostly these are state and local laws as well with the exception of some pedophilia laws. A lot of TALK about doing something, but other than over the public airwaves, very little in the area of FEDERAL regulation. For instance, in some areas you can go to full nude strip clubs, in others even dancing isn't allowed, but that's not by FEDERAL rule. Drugs Again, I agree this is an area where the Feds have overstepped their bounds. Although I don't advocate the unrestricted sale and use of drugs, that too should be a state issue and not a federal one. Prostitution I know of no FEDERAL law prohibiting prostitution. There aren't any because it's legal in Nevada, that makes it a state/local regulatory matter as well. Gay marriage Currently there are no laws on a FEDERAL level prohibiting gay marriage. I think there will have to be due to the requirement of one state having to recognize another's contracts between individuals, but nothing on this so far. So out of all your examples of outrage on the way the Feds overstep their bounds, only 2 are actually Federal issues at the moment. Maybe your anger is misdirected? John Stricker quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Christians have been squalking and bible thumping " MORAL VALUES " regarding their religious beliefs on the following subjects... Alcohol Abortion Guns Vulgarity or Cencorship Drugs Prostitution Gay marriage On and on and on Congress has established laws which prohibit or strictly limit these civil liberties. Alcohol Abortion Guns Vulgarity or Cencorship Drugs Prostitution Gay marriage Well **** me...I guess you think I'm stupid.. I bet congress does too. Anyone else think I'm stupid???? COME ON.. take the shot. I see whats happening and I'm not alone. texasfiero NOV 14, 12:02 AM quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Yeah... tell that to the guys in prison paying their pennance to cristions for getting cought with a controlled substanbce.. got stopped at a sobriety checkpoint... Had a gun in their car without a "permit" from the local government.... Wanted to pay a woman for sex... Played loud music that was deemed "vulgar"... Yeah.. Ask them how well congress is doing at fighting for their civil liberties. Nope, I'd say they're paying their debt to society. To their 'peers' who've chosen to OBEY the laws.