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AUG 05, 11:49 AM
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I hope people get a chance to watch and share the videos I posted, and their ideas.
This one is quite a bit deeper.
"The person who has the why can bear any how"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLteWutitFM
If not interesting enough skip ahead...
Nihilism (/ˈnaɪ(h)ɪlɪzəm, ˈniː-/; ) is the philosophical viewpoint that suggests the denial of, or lack of belief in, the reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that there is no inherent morality, and that accepted moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism may also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or reality does not actually exist.
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bonaduce
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AUG 05, 11:59 AM
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AUG 05, 12:01 PM
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Boondawg
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AUG 05, 12:17 PM
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Fault.
It's not the gun.
It's not video games.
It's not upbringing.
It's not religion.
It's not politics.
It's not music.
It's not race.
It's not environment.
It's not culture.
It's the person, it's a bad brain.
An excuse is just that; an excuse.
Much like picking convenient blame to suit your ideals.
Why are some Americans so obsessed with finding out if the perpetrator was a "Conservative", or "Liberal"?
It's nothing more than politicizing a tragedy to suit one's own emotional need to provide evidence of the righteousness of "their side".
"He didn't shoot them, they did."
Brilliant.
There are all kinds of "bad" brains...[This message has been edited by Boondawg (edited 08-05-2019).]
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AUG 05, 12:45 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
..it's a bad brain.
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There are studies that show a sociopath for example, many times doesn't fully develop into a problem for society if they have a good upbringing, a foundation, meaning, people to rely on, especially when young.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 05, 12:55 PM
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I think he's making good sense what he's saying. I don't want to discount the religious aspect of this discussion, because as a devote Catholic, there are certainly things which would take issue with these actions.
I do *understand* the thought that goes through these people's minds. If I'm going to channel my celebrity psychology family lineage (Karl Jaspers) in trying to understand the logic here... I'd probably say these people feel that, as the speaker is saying, they've reached a point where they've run out of options.
I'd have to assume of course there's more going on there, because a chemically "normal" person would continue to look for options... can I fix my situation, are there any options I have? I dunno... psychosis tends to fester, but there has to be an imbalance first. Whether we want to admit it or not... we've all wanted to get revenge at times. While my Christian values sometimes succeed in convincing me to take the high road (and usually leads to a positive outcome), there are other times where I've allowed myself to really get drawn into my own misery and I'd want to do something. Now, a sane person, once you reach that point, you consider consequences, the Golden rule, etc... and again... any sane person would prevent themselves from going down whatever that path is.
I can't say I've *ever* thought about shooting a place up. Though I have had dreams where I've magically teleported next to... Vladamir Putin, Ayatolla, Hitler, or Kim Jung Un... and I've got a gun. Answer is simple... I'm dead either way, might as well take one for my country and solve a problem. But here's where I think what the speaker says is flawed... no sane person would ever contemplate shooting up a bunch of innocent people. That's just not a thing. I grew up with Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Quake, etc... so I experienced violent games just as much as the next younger Gen-Xer, or any of the Millennials. Hell... I even hacked the SpectraVision box in the hotel that my father managed, and had full access to pornography from 11-12 until my parents found out. So I've been exposed to all kinds of trash... and still, never once thought about shooting up or blowing up anything.
I agree with a lot of what he says, and I know people can allow themselves to get to a dark point in their lives... but there's a difference between sane and insane. No sane person believes mass-murder is a solution to anything.
Going back to a point I made earlier... and is quite appropriate for this forum. One instance where I didn't retaliate, when I knew I had every option at my disposal to. I had 4 Fieros at one point. Three of them were in really nice condition, one not so much. There was a kid who I knew, friend of a friend... he was insanely jealous of me. I don't know what he thought... we were both living in ghetto Davie, Florida. But he believed somehow that I was super-wealthy and he hated me for it. Lol... I had 4 Fieros in the late 1990s. My 87 SE, an 84 2m4 SE, an 85 GT, and an 86 SE. Anyway... he snuck into my apartment complex one night, and keyed all four of my Fieros. Big long scratches and gouges all up and down the paint. There was some absolute hate that he had.
He bragged about it to one of our mutual friends, who confided in me that this guy had done it, and he would be willing to state it on record to police if I wanted to file a charge. I was really angry, but I consider the fact... his dad died of cancer, and his mom was a crack whore. He had been living with friends, and he was doing gay stuff with an older guy who was manipulating him and letting him stay with him. Weird.... weird **** . Total classic town of Davie kind of stuff.
So... I told him I knew it was him, and I told him I wasn't going to press charges because I knew his life was messed up, and I hoped things would work out for him in the end. I knew that it would end up being a felony in the state of Florida due to the damage it caused, and he would end up going to jail. The guy was totally cocky, whatever... told me to **** off. I just shrugged it off. Years later... a mutual friend died, and we both showed up to the funeral. He was all apologizes... asked me if I still had the cars (I have my original 87 SE), and told me that he had turned his life around, and he was so sorry and it bothered him, blah blah...
So, made me feel good I suppose. But I totally would have rather cracked him in the nuts and called the police on him, but in the end... I think it worked out for the best.
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Blacktree
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AUG 05, 01:06 PM
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IMO our culture is breeding crazy people. Taking everyone's guns away won't make people any less crazy. Addressing the real problem will require taking a hard look at American culture. And I think a lot of people will be upset by the findings.
I also get the impression that leftists don't really want to fix the problem, because it gives them an excuse to campaign for gun control. As callous as that may sound, that's how leftists behave. Their number one priority is to further their ideology.
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AUG 05, 01:08 PM
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I don't doubt there are insane people. Measuring them may prove difficult. Especially in this day and age where we are told to reinforce some individuals and certain types of disorders, as if they are perfectly normal.
"First Known Use of insanity
1590, in the meaning defined: a severely disordered state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder"
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williegoat
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AUG 05, 05:10 PM
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We live in a time where if a male wants to dress like a female and use the little girl's room, we must honor his preference, but if he supports his country and its president, he is a violent fascist.
Do we really want to give the government the power to deny the constitutionally guaranteed right of a U.S. citizen based on a definition of sanity agreed upon by politicians?
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williegoat
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AUG 05, 05:17 PM
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I just learned that the Ohio killer was part of a subculture so vile that I cannot even begin to describe it.
Charles Manson would likely have found it revolting.
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