Tips for a fresh college grad on the prowl for work? (Page 4/13)
84fiero123 JUL 27, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by nitroheadz28:
Sorry bud, but take a look at both of our ratings bars

What exactly is it in my attitude that constitutes me being an @$$hole and a d!ck according to you? You came into this thread with the predisposition that I was a know nothing college educated in debt kid who has nothing going for him because he didn't pick a "real" job or trade.

The mind is a terrible thing to waste, and the sad part is that you come off as the type of person who has lived their entire life and never used yours.




let me guess another 20 something year old college boy?

Good for you, I was repair at GM before you were born, skill enough for you, or how about almost 20 years as a heavy industrial WELDER, building paper mills and oil rigs when you were in diapers, that a trade enough for you. something tells me you are going to be one of those engineers I have run into before who designed things that ,
Worked on paper
or the
but the computer said it would work.

but they never work in the real world and people like me, the tradesmen who have to build these things get all sorts of overtime because we have to fix what you screwed up, been there done that, now go back to your crayon pack and just keep coloring.

And good luck finding a job in this economy.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't



Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

DL10 JUL 27, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


let me guess another 20 something year old college boy?

Good for you, I was repair at GM before you were born, skill enough for you, or how about almost 20 years as a heavy industrial WELDER, building paper mills and oil rigs when you were in diapers, that a trade enough for you. something tells me you are going to be one of those engineers I have run into before who designed things that ,
Worked on paper
or the
but the computer said it would work.

but they never work in the real world and people like me, the tradesmen who have to build these things get all sorts of overtime because we have to fix what you screwed up, been there done that, now go back to your crayon pack and just keep coloring.

And good luck finding a job in this economy

Steve



You really have a problem with anyone who has a education don't you. Just so you know I'm older than you, I'm sure I have worked as hard or harder than you for 30 years as a union tire builder, and probialy burnt my mind more than you butt......You sure are a bitter old man.
nitroheadz28 JUL 27, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


let me guess another 20 something year old college boy?

Good for you, I was repair at GM before you were born, skill enough for you, or how about almost 20 years as a heavy industrial WELDER, building paper mills and oil rigs when you were in diapers, that a trade enough for you. something tells me you are going to be one of those engineers I have run into before who designed things that ,
Worked on paper
or the
but the computer said it would work.

but they never work in the real world and people like me, the tradesmen who have to build these things get all sorts of overtime because we have to fix what you screwed up, been there done that, now go back to your crayon pack and just keep coloring.

And good luck finding a job in this economy.

Steve



Cool story bro. Tell us some more how much you enjoy your life

Its insane not only how much of a bumbling idiot you come off as, but how much you assume about me just cause of my potential age and education. So let me tell you something, I'm not the kind of person you are painting out to be and I have worked in the "real" world in construction a number of years, in fact I grew up around it with a bitter close minded father who is a lot like you. Except even in your monkey like ways, you somehow manage to use a computer- kudos! . Its nice knowing that you don't take your work home with you and let it affect your personal life and mindset, OH WAIT

So stop mudding up this thread before I pm Cliff and ask him to do something about it. K? Thanks

84fiero123 JUL 27, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by nitroheadz28:
Cool story bro. Tell us some more how much you enjoy your life

Its insane not only how much of a bumbling idiot you come off as, but how much you assume about me just cause of my potential age and education. So let me tell you something, I'm not the kind of person you are painting out to be and I have worked in the "real" world in construction a number of years, in fact I grew up around it with a bitter close minded father who is a lot like you. Except even in your monkey like ways, you somehow manage to use a computer- kudos! . Its nice knowing that you don't take your work home with you and let it affect your personal life and mindset, OH WAIT

So stop mudding up this thread before I pm Cliff and ask him to do something about it. K? Thanks



Please do tell me about those many years of experience, please I would love to hear how and just what you did for whoever you worked for. oh and please do act like the little boy that you are and pm daddy to make the bad man go away. shows just how child like you are.

as well as shows just how good an engineer you will be, as I said I have heard it all before and had to fix it because when told by someone, on the line or in the field that what your design doesn't work you will just use one of the afore mentioned lines. I have worked with your kind before, all pumped up and full of ego because they are more educated than those they are telling what to do. but invariably they don't learn or they aren't very good engineers. listen to those on the shop floor or hanging from the rafters who have to make what you design work. Or you will be doomed to make mistakes every day for the rest of your life.

I am sure you will do real well in the world of engineering because you went to school and got a degree, but if you don't keep learning every day and listen to those who have been doing it for decades you won't do well at all, matter of fact you will just prove what I have said and be just the arrogant young man you think you are and that right there is not going to help you in your job search now is it.

you like my stories huh, well they are not just stories they are things that really happened to me when i was working on the line at GM as repair as well as in construction as a welder/fabricator/ironworker.

now please do tell me all about your real work experiences, I would love to hear about them, I just might even be able to help you find a job, but with your attitude right know I don't see why I should, tell me just what have you done out here in the real world that would make me understand just how smart and experienced you are.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't



Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

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nitroheadz28 JUL 27, 11:16 AM
You know what, I won't nag Cliff about anything because I know he hates it when he has to see grown men on here (lol) behave in the way you are. So type your little heart out and keep trolling, I wont be reading your crap. You will never see differently no matter what anyone may say or do to prove otherwise.
RWDPLZ JUL 27, 11:21 AM
Welcome to the (not so) wonderful world of unemployment! I'll be your host, Ben Dere!

First thing: Ignore 84fiero123. He's an ignorant old man who's proud of his own stupidity. He's ex UAW, so he's probably only done 5 honest years of work in a 30ish years horrendously overpaid career. You'd be amazed at the difference between a UAW plant like the Rouge and a Toyota plant like TMMK, where people actually work. He's been completely brainwashed by Union leadership and believes anyone with any education is an idiot. Intelligent, huh? Age does not equal wisdom. There are plenty of old fools out there, and he's the perfect example. I just ignore him and uhlanistan because they're worthless wastes of skin, and not worth wasting time on.

Getting your foot in the door is the hardest part. From there, just work hard and keep asking for more work. Once you get 2-3 years in somewhere, you can go anywhere!

1) It's not WHAT you know, it's WHO you know. If you were on good terms with your professors, they can give you job leads, AND will usually be happy to be a professional reference. After you get a job, be sure to call them and tell them, and thank them for allowing you to use them as a reference. They love hearing the good news, and appreciation.

2) Rejection is a daily occurrence. In the process of getting my current job (automotive wiring harness engineer), I was rejected ~1000 times, and had about 15 interviews, several with the same company that eventually hired me. Even a bad interview is good practice! Always overdress for the interview, it shows you care about getting the job. I usually didn't get hired after interviews because they also interviewed someone with more experience.

3) RESUME: Spend time between jobs building your resume. You said you're going to take the FE exam, great! That thing is a PITA, be sure to study and get an approved calculator. Get a copy of the Supplied Reference Handbook, and know where everything is in it, you'll use it over and over again in the exam to look up formulas, tables, etc. Passing that shows you can do a variety of engineering work, and care about advancing your career. Add some credentials that support what you're trying to get into. Since I was going for automotive, I got a mechanic's license in all categories (required to work on cars in Michigan) to show my mechanical aptitude and experience working on cars. Also worked a shitty job at an auto parts store making a little above minimum wage, so I could learn more about cars, help people fix their cars, and get my ASE certification. Also took and passed 7 of the 8 ASE tests, even though I couldn't get the certification without two years experience, just to show the competence. Computer skills? CompTIA certification, or Microsoft certs show you can use a computer. I got CompTIA A+ and Network+, and would have gotten more if I were still underemployed and they weren't so expensive. If you like, I can send you a copy of mine to use as a template. People in HR departments always said it was a great resume.

4) Dream jobs: Even though you may want to work at X, you should still try to get in to Y, Z, etc. Take any job you can get in this economy. As you look at job listings, you'll see the key is EXPERIENCE. they always want 2+ years. If you can get 2 years somewhere, ANYWHERE, you'll be in a much better position to go after the dream job in a few years. APPLY TO EVERY JOB YOU CAN DO. If you find in the interview the job isn't doable, you can at least get the interview practice. I never had the problem of too many interviews conflicting with one another. Closest I ever had them scheduled was about 20 hours and 200 miles apart, very doable.

Getting the first job is the hardest thing you'll have to do! Good luck and keep trying!
Formula88 JUL 27, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by nitroheadz28:

Formula- Thanks for all the clarification. Surprisingly a lot of employers around here dont really seem to care about having a PE, but its good to have for sure.



That's because entry-level positions don't need a PE. PE's are expensive. They'll have a handful on staff and the other engineers work under them.
Get the PE and your name can go on the blueprints and other engineers will work for you.

You don't need it to get started, but keep an eye on your future.

And ignore Steve. He makes no bones about the fact that he hates engineers. In his experience engineers are over-educated idiots who don't know how to make something work in the real world. You're not going to change his mind and anything you say will be viewed through that perspective.
Formula88 JUL 27, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

you like my stories huh, well they are not just stories they are things that really happened to me when i was working on the line at GM as repair as well as in construction as a welder/fabricator/ironworker.




Maybe the lesson here, Steve, isn't that all engineers are stupid - but that GM engineers are stupid? You worked there how long ago? We've all certainly had enough moments working on our cars when we though, "who the hell designed this?"
nitroheadz28 JUL 27, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by RWDPLZ:




Thanks a lot for taking the time to write that up RWD! I'm surprised I didn't have you rated +, but there you go

I would really appreciate if you could send me that template, I'll PM you with my email. Its much appreciated

Formula- That makes a lot of sense, I was going off of my conversations with some HR people in the MTA here about having a PE. They were telling me that most of their engineers aren't licensed and its not too big a deal, but the MTA sucks IMO. Thanks for the tips!
84fiero123 JUL 27, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:
Maybe the lesson here, Steve, isn't that all engineers are stupid - but that GM engineers are stupid? You worked there how long ago? We've all certainly had enough moments working on our cars when we though, "who the hell designed this?"



never said all engineers are stupid, contrary to what some here think I have worked with some that left the field of engineering to work with their hands or on the line. And I wasn't talking about JUST GMs engineers I have worked in the field with engineers who thought they knew it all and would make something that wouldn't even pass code for buildings, schools or whatever it was I was working on after I worked at GM.

lets just see how long before this young man gets a job in his field, and if he can keep it with the I don't need to listen to anyone who is older or not an engineer attitude.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't



Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

[This message has been edited by 84fiero123 (edited 07-27-2013).]