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Patrick's Dad
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MAY 28, 08:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
...Marriage is not only the union of a male and female whatever, it is the union of two things to create one thing out of those two. ie Hydrogen and Oxygen to make water, and that one is a threesome. 
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I've never heard of a molecule spoken of as a "marriage."
Are Peanut Butter and Marshmallow (A Fluffernutter) a "marriage?" Perhaps, but that's only because the use of the word "marriage" evokes a certain compatibility, a unique whole as the product of the parts.
In proper context, a marriage of a man and a woman produce a unit that is unique in the creation and nurture of life. Even more than a Fluffernutter.
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ray b
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MAY 28, 09:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Slayre:
But seriously, there are gay people of all creed and color. It is nothing more than a sexual preference. ( It IS a choice ) . You want to change the rules and definitions just because of your sexual preference? I heard someone today on the radio ( talk radio on AM )say the reason for the gay agenda to have same sex marriage more accepted in society was to ease the guilt of being gay. Im not sure if I agree with that or not but it is an interesting point of view. |
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so when did you chose to be straight
any why would any one chose to be gay
now bi maybe but many gays think they bi's are just confused
I donot think gay is something any one would chose to be
sorry christians you book is just wrong
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Question wonder and be wierd
are you kind?
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Slayre
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MAY 29, 06:19 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
so when did you chose to be straight
any why would any one chose to be gay
now bi maybe but many gays think they bi's are just confused
I donot think gay is something any one would chose to be
sorry christians you book is just wrong
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Your born straight. You choose to be gay.Check any poll conducted by gay people. Almost 90% of all homosexuals have had intercourse with someone of the opposite sex, but CHOSE to have relations with same sex. So to me it is a CHOICE. My Book ? I guess your refering to the Bible? Typical answer for someone who doesnt believe or want to practice Christianity. But its ok, It's your CHOICE.[This message has been edited by Slayre (edited 05-29-2009).]
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MAY 29, 09:29 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Slayre:
Your born straight. You choose to be gay.Check any poll conducted by gay people. Almost 90% of all homosexuals have had intercourse with someone of the opposite sex, but CHOSE to have relations with same sex. So to me it is a CHOICE. My Book ? I guess your refering to the Bible? Typical answer for someone who doesnt believe or want to practice Christianity. But its ok, It's your CHOICE.
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Wow.
Just wow, I can't believe you sooo don't get it.
Live and let live, I always say.
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blackrams
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MAY 29, 09:35 AM
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Neptune,
Although off topic, I was wondering what your avatar is supposed to represent?
Ron
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NEPTUNE
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MAY 29, 09:47 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Neptune,
Although off topic, I was wondering what your avatar is supposed to represent?
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Doing stupid things and not paying attention can hurt you.
A driveshaft through the skull is nearly always fatal.
Thanks for asking. 
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Carver1
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MAY 29, 10:11 AM
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Someone needs to flip open a Bible every once in awhile. Gay=Sin
Yes, everybody sins all the time. Doesn't make it ok to do so.
My number one problem with gays.....Isn't our purpose on Earth to procreate? Hmmmmmm.
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avengador1
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MAY 29, 10:25 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by frontal lobe:
It is an intentional attempt to blur the lines and definitions and equate two homosexuals living together with a marriage of a man and a woman. They are not equal. They are not equivalent. They are different.
Two unmarried heterosexuals living together does not equate to a marriage, either.
From a legal standpoint, I don't care what society votes to do.
From a societal standpoint, definitions are important.
The DEFINITION of the word marriage is a man and a woman who have made the commitment to each other of a life-long, exclusive union. (doesn't change the definition because more then half the people that enter it don't stick to the commitment).
2 heterosexuals living together doesn't rise to that definition.
2 people of the same sex PHYSICALLY CAN'T rise to that definition.
And lest anyone get ticked at me, nobody asked me what the definition of marriage is. It existed for THOUSANDS of years before I came on the scene.
But just because 2 homosexuals want to live together and maybe they make a life long commitment, they don't get to toss out THOUSANDS OF YEARS of a definition to fit what they are doing.
My suggestion to homosexuals--get your OWN word for what you are doing.
But that isn't anti-homosexual. That is for ANYone who wants to try to change the definition of ANY historically long held word.
Like Bill Clinton, for example. Depends on what the definition of "is" is. Well, it is the same definition it has been for THOUSANDS of years, Bill.
Words have ESTABLISHED meanings. You don't get to change the word and its definition, no matter how many white knots you put on a pair of blue jeans. Sorry. |
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There are many kinds of love. I love my family, I love my spouse, I love my friends, I love to eat, I love a good BM. What you are suggesting above is that homosexuals or lesbians are incaple of the kind of love that defines a marriage and that this love is unnatural.
Homosexuality occurs naturally and there are around 1500 species that practice it.
http://www.news-medical.net...006/10/23/20718.aspx
Homosexuality has existed even before written history, so it isn't anything new or unnatural in nature. It only is a perversion in man's eye because we want to place ourselves above animals. We may be above animals but not by much.
The bottom line is that no one should care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, as long as no one is hurt by this. If homosexuality were so bad it would be outlawed.
Some find this behavior disgusting, because it isn't behavior they would engage in. I find smoking disguting, but I don't condemn the smokers, that is their choice of lifestyle. I really find tobacco chewers to be really disgusting, especially when they spit all over the place or carry their spit cans around, but still I don't condemn them for their choice. What I end up doing in these cases is I don't worry about them and go on with my life. I let them enjoy their choices, because that is what they are, their choices, not mine.
This isn't a fair comparison for homosexuals and lesbians. Most don't realize that they are born this way and it is not a choice.
Here is an article that explains why homosexuality has not been evolved out of nature, even though there can be no reproduction from it.
http://www.livescience.com/...516-gay-animals.html
The bottom line is that people do not need to be married in a church to be married. The state can marry anyone that fits their legal definition for mariage. Many choose this option over getting married in a church and not because they are homosexual, ever hear of a catholic person marrying a jewish person? Those institutions do not allow this, but yet these people get married by the state all the time. The church does not like this as they can't say who can get "legally" married then. A church marriage is a different type of marriage than a civil one, that is why they will never recognize a same sex marriage. It doesn't fit their beliefs. That is fine and dandy and I can live with that, but for that marriage to be recognized by the state, you need a marriage license. Now you are "legally" married with all rights and priviledges that come with that.
The bottom line is I don't see who really gets hurt by homosexuals and lesbians marrying each other. I don't choose that lifestyle but I would be a hypocrite to deny them their choice or equal rights under the law.
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frontal lobe
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MAY 29, 01:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by avengador1:
There are many kinds of love. I love my family, I love my spouse, I love my friends, I love to eat, I love a good BM. What you are suggesting above is that homosexuals or lesbians are incaple of the kind of love that defines a marriage and that this love is unnatural.
Homosexuality occurs naturally and there are around 1500 species that practice it.
http://www.news-medical.net...006/10/23/20718.aspx
Homosexuality has existed even before written history, so it isn't anything new or unnatural in nature. It only is a perversion in man's eye because we want to place ourselves above animals. We may be above animals but not by much.
The bottom line is that no one should care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, as long as no one is hurt by this. If homosexuality were so bad it would be outlawed.
Some find this behavior disgusting, because it isn't behavior they would engage in. I find smoking disguting, but I don't condemn the smokers, that is their choice of lifestyle. I really find tobacco chewers to be really disgusting, especially when they spit all over the place or carry their spit cans around, but still I don't condemn them for their choice. What I end up doing in these cases is I don't worry about them and go on with my life. I let them enjoy their choices, because that is what they are, their choices, not mine.
This isn't a fair comparison for homosexuals and lesbians. Most don't realize that they are born this way and it is not a choice.
Here is an article that explains why homosexuality has not been evolved out of nature, even though there can be no reproduction from it.
http://www.livescience.com/...516-gay-animals.html
The bottom line is that people do not need to be married in a church to be married. The state can marry anyone that fits their legal definition for mariage. Many choose this option over getting married in a church and not because they are homosexual, ever hear of a catholic person marrying a jewish person? Those institutions do not allow this, but yet these people get married by the state all the time. The church does not like this as they can't say who can get "legally" married then. A church marriage is a different type of marriage than a civil one, that is why they will never recognize a same sex marriage. It doesn't fit their beliefs. That is fine and dandy and I can live with that, but for that marriage to be recognized by the state, you need a marriage license. Now you are "legally" married with all rights and priviledges that come with that.
The bottom line is I don't see who really gets hurt by homosexuals and lesbians marrying each other. I don't choose that lifestyle but I would be a hypocrite to deny them their choice or equal rights under the law. |
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Boy, lots of principles here. And several presumptions you made about what I said that are not correct.
I never said WHY homosexual couple and heterosexual couples living together wasn't equivalent to a marriage.
Regarding the love part, an essential element of love is commitment. Signing up for the legal obligations that go with marriage is a larger commitment than living together. Having said that, there are couples living together that obviously had stronger commitments than the couple that married and divorced. Granted.
Regarding homosexuals, I never said it wasn't the depth of their love for the other person that made it different. Many of them love each other and are willing to legally obligate themselves. Go for it. But it isn't a marriage. Marriage is a man and a woman. It is a definition. What they are doing may be a close copy. It isn't a marriage.
Regarding is the love unnatural, the God of the Bible says it is. You cite animal world evidence it is natural. Big principle disagreement there. Just because we have some things in common with animals, humans have MAJOR distinctions that make me separate behavior from comparison with animals. Apparently you don't. OK. We disagree on that one.
Regarding humans have done homosexual before written history, and it isn't new. People have been murdering and stealing before written history and isn't new, either. I'm NOT equating homosexuality with those things. Just making the point that, so what? It's mere existence doesn't equal acceptance. The God of the Bible says those things are wrong. He says homosexuality is wrong. Experience in history and nature says these things happen. My answer is, yes...so? You want to go with nature. OK. I'm going to go with what the Bible says. For reasons I won't diverge into here.
Regarding shouldn't matter what people do behind closed doors. Agreed. I don't care. But they (and my wife and I, too) don't just live behind closed doors. We live in a society.
Regarding if it was so bad, it would be outlawed...I don't find that logical based on life experience and other issues.
Regarding finding homosexuality disgusting, I personally would. But I don't find it disgusting that other people don't. Some people find what I eat sometimes to be disgusting. But they aren't necessarily disgusted that I eat it. My being against homosexuals REDEFINING marriage has nothing to do with personal disgust. I have several homosexual friends. They know how I feel. Yet they love me and I love them. We always hug when we see each other. Just like many of my heterosexual friends, male and female, do. I'm not personally repulsed in the least.
Regarding marriage being a church thing, I'm not hung up on that. But regarding whether in a church or a civil ceremony, a marriage is a man and a woman. It is the definition of the word. I have already said, go ahead and have a civil CEREMONY. Pick a word for the definition of a man and a man or a woman and a woman having this civil ceremony. I don't care. I have learned new words in my life. If you want, have a different word for man and man and a different word for woman and woman. I'll learn two new words.
But it is a new, separate thing than a MARRIAGE, which is a man and a woman.
Now if for some unusual reason, a homosexual man decides to marry a homosexual woman, HEY, that's a MARRIAGE! I'm totally for that if they want. But that is the only gay MARRIAGE possible.
So I'm not debating with you. I have no reason. I'm just clarifying.
I'm NOT actively against homosexuals as individuals.
On a societal level, I AM against ANY attempts to redefine long standing words with precise definitions. Period.
I'm for couples that make a commitment to each other and a legal obligation having the same rights as someone gets when they get married.
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Phranc
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MAY 29, 01:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by frontal lobe:
Regarding is the love unnatural, the God of the Bible says it is.. |
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The God of the bible said nothing. There is no god to quote. There is only what some men claim a non-existent god said.
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