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Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality

quote Originally posted by D B Cooper: I have no problem with her staying home to raise the kids all day... Get a job working nights. Simple. Welfare desperately needs reform. There should be a 'poor house' available for those in need; but it should be very strict and regimented; checking in to receive assistance should mean giving up a lot of liberties. That would both reduce the cost burden on the tax base, and provide motivation for recipients to want to check out. There is nothing in the current system that encourages anything but further irresponsibility; and we wonder why welfare becomes a family tradition... dumb. And wasteful.

Jane

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Imagination is the only weapon in the war against reality

quote Originally posted by sostock: People like that give liberals a bad name. There is a difference between having liberal views and being a dirt bag. (I'm sure somebody will argue that point )

Really? I've yet to meet a liberal (this includes a couple of my friends, yeah we don't exactly see eye to eye. but were still friends) that didn't think that it's the governments job to take my hard earned money from me and give it to some slacker that won't earn it on their own!!! I don't have a problem with giving people that need a hand up help, it's the people that milk the system that really cheese me off!

The nine most terifiying words in the english language are,
I'm from the government,and I'm here to help. Joe

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quote Originally posted by sostock: "If you don't generate anything, don't make a product, provide a service, etc how do you expect to receive money? Sure, I'd love to stay home and raise my kids too, but what service am I providing? They are my kids. I don't expect anyone to pay for my dog's food, or my house..." "No not at all Cliff. My original point was just because there are some free loading people out that who call themselves liberals or democrats does not mean all "left wing" people think that way. There are other issues besides welfare and taxes that put me left of center. Abortion is one, but that is another topic. Iraq is another. Most of it has to do with religion in schools. In my opinion I have a conservative view but somehow that has become liberal now. Any sort of welfare should only be provided as a safety net to prevent normal, everyday people from falling through the cracks if they hit hard times. (think Katrina or the massive layoffs that are happening now) I think programs like SS, unemployment pay, food stamps, etc have been hugely manipulated. Its NOT that they are bad programs per se, its that they have been poorly managed and allowed to extend beyond a just time frame. Anyone who thinks that they are entitled to tax payers dollars for fulfilling their own personal responsibility is nuts. As I stated earlier, if you cannot produce a product or provide a service you should not expect to receive an income."

Welcome to the Republican Party...

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