Lopsided chops? (Page 4/103)
MstangsBware AUG 27, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by GTGeff:


I have an extra long t-square and a carpenters level, so I am going to borrow a laser transit from a friend and use a micrometer from work so I can get all these proper measurements this long holiday weekend because I have nothing better to do with my time than help someone with their own personal vendetta against another member of this Fiero community. At least by appearances there seems to be a desire to bash someone else's work. Besides, all you boys are old enough to fight your own battles. Jonathan, can you get some NASA computer time to calculate all the raw data once I have? NOT! Per a pervious comment above, the "B" pillar windows are add-ons and should not be a factor in the supposed problem.


Jeff



There is no reason to measure--Put the car on level ground, step back behind it about 20' or so. Look at the Pass side NB areacompared to the DRV side NB area. You will see that the Pass side lays over more than the DRV side.

Like I said in the other Thread, if you are happy with the car then thats all that matters.

Raydar AUG 27, 07:25 PM
Some people just don't have enough to do.
katatak AUG 27, 07:28 PM
You have got to be kidding me! I did not know that this was pre teen chat!
Falcon Fiero AUG 27, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by DL10:

I’ll post in this thread before it hits the trashcan where it belongs. I own the GBCT, Archie’s first choptop. This car has been in Texas and I’m sure some of you have seen it there.
Is my car perfect…….no Stock Fiero’s aren’t perfect.
Is it good enough for me,… yes. I knew what I was buying and was happy with what I got.
Do I mind if people find a flaw in my car and tell me about it…no. Hell I’m usually the one pointing out things to others that they would never notice.
Do I think someone who talks about my car behind my back or on the Internet but won’t say anything to me to my face is a chicken-s###, **** ****…….Yes

I don’t feel the need to put down other peoples work to try to make mine look better.




Just to piggy back on what DL10 said, when I owned the GBCT, I spent LOADS of time pouring over the car, from all angles and many distances. I never noticed anything lopsided.


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WhiteDevil88 AUG 27, 08:38 PM
Madcurl, you bust me up. So does this mean you are going to have to have new tour shirts printed up for your fans? I'm sure the Lone Star state will declare a respectful period of mourning. *snicker*
BlackGT Codde AUG 27, 10:12 PM
i see no problems with the car but if anyone has the argument get a laserlevel
and do the math if its your car you worry about it
so what if its off by 1/10000000000th of an inch
McNasty AUG 27, 10:20 PM
SO does mike and archie's chops look the same.
Or is there a difference betweent the two.
I understand they are both performed differently,
but side to side you would be able to notice an archie chop vs' a mike chop
just a question?
Philphine AUG 27, 10:57 PM
WAIT! WAIT! I THINK I SEE IT!!!!

oh... it's just some dust on one side of the roof.
nevermind.
jmbishop AUG 27, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by McNasty:

SO does mike and archie's chops look the same.
Or is there a difference betweent the two.
I understand they are both performed differently,
but side to side you would be able to notice an archie chop vs' a mike chop
just a question?



Mike widens his roof.
DIY_Stu AUG 27, 11:58 PM
I've seen Wills car also. Personal feelings and friendships aside, I noticed a lean in the roof. Not knowing why or really caring at the time I didn't pay it much attention and continued to walk passed it. Now I'm going to tell what COULD be the reason. The only straight looking parts on a fiero are the A pillars, B pillars and rear hoop. Guess what THEY AREN'T STRAIGHT. They all have curves. so picking a focal point is difficult. Now for the LIST.
First Mechanical reasons.
Tires aired up the same? Doubt it.
Level Ground? NOT where it was.
chassis twist? If it's on uneven ground there may be some.
Something got tightened down too much? EASY TO DO
Uneven body work? Have you ever tried to mirror body work? NOT EASY TO ME
As for the metal under the body. You can control this a lot easier to get it all straight. Any one who attempts this HAS TO MAKE TONS OF MEASUREMENTS.
As for Archies chops I THINK he uses a template for the back window to aid in alignment. Correct me if I'm wrong. If this is out of whack then maybe it can cause more than one car to be lopped. But crap you'd think someone would notice this and fix it over the years. So I'll dismiss this.
Weld Warp, doubt it. Too much strength around the areas.


OPTICAL REASONS
Sunlight! Good one this even made the shadows on the moon unbelievable to millions! Shadows from light cause many MANY illusions in optical measurements.
Point of View. Also kills angles.
Color and DIRECTION it stacked up. this causes micro shadowing changing darkening the color and thereby causes difference in anything.
Surroundings. Jscott illustrated this above. Height differences surrounding the object can and will change it's appearance.


Measurements: NEVER USE more than one measuring device to make Cross measurements. I've seen this done time and time again. I watched a cabinet man ruin his work and require unsightly fillings due to his measurements being made with his Tape and his cutter using a different tape. His cutters tape was SHORT by 3/16 of an inch at 4 feet. and got shorter as the distance go longer. All measuring devices used TOGETHER should be checked with each other.

Now my own CHOP. I've had several people tell me that the drivers A pillar was low while it was in the garage. Once in the sun the Passenger A pillar looked Low? Why I don't know but I've checked measurements time and time again.

So why Bicker? Insinuate? Insult etc etc etc. Take forums with a Grain of salt and caution. Think before you post and read before you submit.

"The World's going to hell in a basket!"
"Then get out of the Basket!"

Stu