TO THOSE THAT ARE LEAVING... (Page 4/13)
Monkeyman AUG 20, 01:58 PM
Cliff---Why not set a time limit on ratings? After a certain period of time (maybe a year?), they would expire. I'll bet there are many around here who have given a rating, then not only forgotten that they rated a certain member but also forgot why. I think that alot of the ratings are either due to popularity or are from someone who is just being hateful. I'll use myself as an example. I've received a new (probably negative) rating in the past few hours. I know what threads I've posted in and I don't think I've come across as being rude or hateful in any way. Whoever just rated me did so due to retaliation/meanness/spite. I don't know who did it, nor do I care but I'll bet my left sock that, in 6 months, he will either have forgotten that he rated me and/or will have forgotten why. At the other end of the spectrum, I've rated (positively) a few members (one in particular) who are known to be slightly "irritating" but they have always treated me with what I consider to be respect, even if our opinions have differed. What about those whose ratings bar is in the "dangerously red" zone but who have "changed their evil ways"? I think they should get a second chance.

Here's another idea. What about making it impossible to rate someone who just rated you for a certain period? Here's my thinking about this. It might encourage those that negatively rate others (even, or maybe especially when it's called for) to confront the ratee without retaliation. For example, if I think you deserve a negative, I could PM/email you and let you know why you got a rating without the fear of having you rate me negatively just out of retaliation. (Similar to some of the BS eBay ratings.) This way you would know what you did wrong (in my eyes) and would have the opportunity to change it.

Better yet, why not do away with the rating system completely (except for the short term speed banning)?

Personally, I couldn't care less about what my ratings bar looks like as long as I feel that I'm being respectful of others thoughts/feelings and show that in my posts. I happen to give positive ratings just because somebody has been respectful, even if their opinion has differed greatly from mine. The only negative ratings I've had (or currently have) in my list are those that have been banned long ago.
Hulki U. My-BFF AUG 20, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


You don’t know squat about THIS forum, it’s history, and/or the people who’ve contributed to it over the last nine years.



I'm starting to know YOU pretty well...
Patrick AUG 20, 02:16 PM

Thanks for demonstrating what an asset you plan on being at PFF.
jscott1 AUG 20, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

I was surprised to see my post quoted here from O/T, but thank-you Gokart for feeling it was worthwhile repeating.

I might just add for anyone who may be interested that the original thread is Here.




Did I miss something? I guess Jazzman got into a heated discussion with someone in T/OT? I rarely go there unless someone sends me a link to something of great interest. I know Jazzman was very active in T/OT and most respected his opinion even if they didn't agree. There is not a lot of value in arguing on the internet, so I try to stay out of it.
Hulki U. My-BFF AUG 20, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


Thanks for demonstrating what an asset you plan on being at PFF.
MstangsBware AUG 20, 02:29 PM
Everyone does know that this is just the internet RIGHT!!!!!!
blackrams AUG 20, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
Because, let's face it, PFF is exactly what is has always been: whatever its members make of it as opposed to whatever its moderator(s) make(s) of it. Heck, if it were up to me, a lot of people would have been out of here a loooooong time ago. But I'm working on several things that will give the members more moderating power.



Yep, maybe that's why I'm addicted. I would like to see a little button that would allow enough members to click on it and send a topic to the trash can instead of hoping Cliff will see the stuff. Maybe limit the numbers of trash can votes a person can use in a certain time frame. I really try to stay out of the flame wars and unless it is a topic close to my heart, I am fairly successful. I think.


Ron

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Doug85GT AUG 20, 02:54 PM
The OT forum is a jungle. You can and will get people who post with opposing views to you. Some people are not used to this and take it personally so they consider it a personal attack. Maybe there needs to be a primer on what is a person attack and what is not?

A personal attack is an attack on the individual that is making a statement or argument.

Examples:

"I would expect that answer from someone of your sexual orientation."

"If you had half a brain, you would not do that."

"So-and-so is a crook that ripped me off!"


Debating a subject means you discuss the ideas or statements that are brought up in a discussion.

Examples:

"I do not agree with your method. I prefer to do it this way..."

"That idea is wrong. It has failed in the past repeatedly and will fail again."

"The XXXXX party is doing this. I feel it is wrong. This will cause a number of problems such as....."


I have noticed that a number of posters cannot distinguish between a personal attack on them and debating their ideas. If you think your ideas are right, then defend them. If you think that someone saying you are wrong is a personal attack, then there is not much that can be done for you. You will even get offended in the general and tech sections when someone disagrees with you. It may be best to just not post at all if you feel that someone questioning your ideas is a personal attack.
2.5 AUG 20, 04:31 PM
Good post Doug85GT ^^^^^^^

I'm not saying anyone who is leaving is doing it. But some people feel a tone change and that they need to go to a place where people think like they do, they can't deal with other points of view. They either bicker and name call, and/or eventually leave.

Who knows maybe they just got a life!

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TXGOOD AUG 20, 04:46 PM
While I partially agree with what Doug is saying, I think it`s awfully arrogant to say someone is wrong.
That automatically makes you look like you feel you are an expert on something unless you really are and you have proof of that.
I rather tend to be diplomatic when I disagree with someone and say "I think differently than you" rather than flat out call them wrong.
After all, throughout history I`m sure many "experts" told other people that they were wrong about an idea or that it would never work and that person ended up sucessful with their idea.