UNbiased opinion wanted (Page 4/14)
Mickey_Moose NOV 13, 12:47 PM
eBay - always buyer beware...

I for one always ask for more pictures (especially on items that could be 'high wear') and I don't bid till I see them. When I am thinking of buying an item, I frequent the page often to see any changes to the description.

As for this particular auction, the front side looks fine in the pictures (I would have asked for some hi-res ones around the heel area) - you never see the backside anyways (you could probably get a new back attached - sure more cost, but it's a matter how much you want original Indy mats). I am not going to comment on the 9 part as everyone thinks 9 is different - I have seen auctions where people claimed the item to be perfect, but after getting hi-res pictures, they had scratches on it.

question tho...does eBay not let you relist an unsold item anymore for free (1 time)?
anyways, just my 2¢

[This message has been edited by Mickey_Moose (edited 11-13-2007).]

sspeedstreet NOV 13, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by chrisgtp:

Post up the email where he asked for pics. If it is him then i say he had a chance to see them, if not then let him split the eBay fees and relist them it sounds like a fair deal



Ditto. Man up and post the email.
PineyCreek NOV 13, 01:34 PM
I vote 5.5 out of 10, because they don't look too faded and you can patch the rubber bottom...kinda. Not worth 75 though, even for a Fiero.

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1986 SE V6, stock, auto, fastback. GT Trim and Body panels.

Tha Driver NOV 13, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Raydar:


How much for what?
Were you going to cover the commission, and let him relist them?
I think that's fair.

I certainly don't think they're a "solid 9".



Yes I was going to cover the cost of the auction so he wouldn't be out any cash, even though I feel it was him who mis-reprsented the item. Only way I'd do that now is if he first left me pos. feedback (& we all know that's not going to happen).
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Why do they sterilize needles for lethal injection?
Tha Driver NOV 13, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:


BULLSHIT!. You ASKED for the pics and I posted them. You really think that anyone here is going to believe that you wouldn't look at the pics when you specifically asked me to post them?

No one here is that gullable kid.


NOOOOOO, I DID *NOT* ASK for the additional photo!!! How many times do I have to tell you that you are mistaken about that!!! CHECK YOUR EMAILS!!! Notice the guy who *did* request it DID NOT BID.
Once again, I'm NOT a kid & judging by your actions here I must have about 40 years on you.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

You're Just Jealous that the voices talk to ME!
ohioindy NOV 13, 01:59 PM
Ok I’ll settle this…
Paul you pay for them, when you get them if you don’t want them I’ll give you what you have in them.
You give Todd a good feedback
And Todd you give Paul a good feedback and the case is closed.
I’m willing to do this because I was thinking about bidding on them but I didn’t.
And for the record they are not a 9 if they are the ones I got 2 years ago on E bay are a 15

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Tha Driver NOV 13, 02:19 PM
Just so everyone knows here is EVERY email copied & pasted IN THEIR ENTIRETY (headers & such cut out).

My first message through ebay:
Hi,
Ebay said $56 for shipping of these to Ga. (30633). I would like to have them but that seems excessive. (they can be rolled up to be pretty compact.) Can you give me an actual shipping cost?
Thanks,
DriverToo
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Todd:
It says $19.95 right there on the auction. Where are you seeing $56?
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Me:
In the auction at the top it says
"Shipping costs: US $56.54 UPS Ground Service to 30633, United States",
& at the bottom it says
"Ships to United States Country: United States Zip or postal code: 30633
Shipping and Handling To Service
US $56.54 30633, United States UPS Ground
1 to 6 business days*".

Are you sure you're looking at the Indy floor mats
auction? If you'll ship for $20 I'll bid on them.
Thanks,
~ Paul
aka DriverToo
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Todd:
Yes, I'll looking at it right now and I see $19.95. I don't know what to say
but I don't see what you see. Are you sure you're looking at MY auction?
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Me:
Hi Todd,
It depends on the zip code. Ebay has both our zips on
record & calculates the shipping automaticly.
Verify that you'll ship for $19.95 & I'll bid.
Thanks,
~ Paul
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Todd:
I always ship at cost regardless of what you see on ebay. Bid away
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(After the auction
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Me:
Hi Todd,
Well I think we have a problem. You said these were a "solid 9 out of 10" in the auction, but you didn't post a photo of the back untill after I bid. Seeing the back I'd have to say that the driver's side is a 6 or at best a 7. I would not have bid if you had posted that photo before. I would be glad to pay the amount for a "solid 9".
Since I was the only bidder, I think we should declair the transaction "null & void", due to inacurate information in your auction. No feedback, no hard feelings.
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Todd:
You definition of 6 or 7 or 9 is irrelevant. I stated clearly in the auction that you are to ask ALL relevant questions to satisfy yourself. I posted an accurate picture of the back of the mats, per your request, and described the product accurately. You could have retracted your bid after the additional pictures were posted. You did not and I now have incured an Auction charge from Ebay.
You are free to resell the mats or keep them as spares if you are dis-satisfied but they are yours now. In future I suggest you do your due diligence before bidding.
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Me:
You posted the picture on the LAST day of the auction, & it ended BEFORE I had a chance to see it. I bid trusting your description of a "solid 9 out of 10", which was misleading (some would say fradulent). How much does ebay charge you?
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Todd:
I find your use of the word "fraudulent" to be offensive. All you need to do is consider my feedback, my PFF standing, and the fact that I FULLY complied with your request for an unedited fully detailed image which WAS provided within 24 hours of your request.

Let me be clear about this sir, your need to take reasonable steps to satisfy yourself as to the condition of these VERY GOOD "9 out of 10" floor mats is stated in black and white in the terms of the auction. YOUR failure to do so does not give you the right to call me a thief or back out of your legal and moral obligations under this auction.

Hence, the consequences. The terms of the auction state you have 10 days to pay for your merchandise. If you do not I will have to block you from bidding on any of my auctions. That is NOT something you want to happen if you own an Indy Fiero. I have 6 sets of mats like these and 3 of them are in even better condition than the ones you bought, including one set of new ones still in the bag. From original SD parts to all interior and exterior parts I am one of the best sources of material for these cars there is. You will receive a PFF 'seller beware' warning and potentially a negative eBay feedback rating if you do not complete the transaction per the terms of the auction.

What you do with the mats is your own concern. Sell them if you are not happy with them, donate them, or use them as winter mudders. I don't care. But you bought them. Next time, don't bid until you are SURE you want to buy. I am just a guy trying to help the Fiero community and clean out some of my excess inventory. I am not responsible for cleaning-up your mistakes.
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Me:
OK: If you think these are a "9 out of 10" then post the images on PFF & see if anyone agrees with you.
As far as buying anything else from you, I don't think so. The way you're handling this & you're idea of a "9 out of 10" both would keep me from ever bidding on anything else (please *do* block me from bidding) or trusting you to buy something through PFF. What is your username there, anyway?
BTW I never called you a theif. Get your facts straight.
Thank you,
~ Paul
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Todd:
There is no need to post them on PFF when people can just look up the
auction. Do your worst. My PFF handle is Toddster.
I will expect payment within the 10 day period.
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That's it. I NEVER requested additional pics & I'll say it ONE MORE TIME: I DID NOT see the pic before the auction ended & DID NOT have a chance to retract my bid.
Again, everyone: I'm sorry for all this. I just wanted to get opinions on the rating of the mat to show Todd that he was wrong about that. I thought maybe if he saw that & I paid for the cost of the auction we could work this out. Obviously he's only interested in getting the full amount, & quite estatic that he was able to con someone into buying them at that price. If they're so great & are worth so much, why is he so afraid to relist them?
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Curiosity killed the cat but for a while I was the suspect.
Tha Driver NOV 13, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by ohioindy:

Ok I’ll settle this…
Paul you pay for them, when you get them if you don’t want them I’ll give you what you have in them.
You give Todd a good feedback
And Todd you give Paul a good feedback and the case is closed.
I’m willing to do this because I was thinking about bidding on them but I didn’t.
And for the record they are not a 9 if they are the ones I got 2 years ago on E bay are a 15



Nice of you to offer.
I'll save you some money. Buy them directly from Todd & you'll save the shipping I'd have to pay.
As far as him leaving me pos. feedback, we all know that's not going to happen.
BTW no such thing as a 15 on a scale of 1 to 10..... 10 is perfect.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

If you choked a Smurff, what color would he turn?
jaskispyder NOV 13, 03:19 PM
I am not going to try to read all of this. BUT those mats are not 9 out of 10. If I won the auction and then seen the photo I would be taking this up with Ebay and if that didn't work get the black silicone and fix the back of them. This will help some. Or just resell at a loss and forget it.

Indy mats or not, the scale is the same. They look to be about 4 or 5 out of 10 in my book. I sold some NOS mats and wouldn't even give them a 10 without looking them over very carefully and disclosing any "issues" with storage or such. NOS mats are 9 or 10s, these are not. Call it wear or age... but a rusted out GTO is not the same as a rust free GTO... same here, rare or not.

J.
buddycraigg NOV 13, 03:49 PM
Paul, don't pay for the mats. give Todd a - on ebay and move on. You're not out of any money and only lost a little bit of time

Todd, file a non paying bidder and relist the auction. give Paul a - on ebay and move on. You're not out of any money and only lost a little bit of time