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Toddster DEC 26, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
If you want to know, I just had to delete a feedback you gave in The Mall to someone else because you used the feedback system again for your personal vendetta with another member (by giving feedback for something that happened on eBay).

If you read the threads related you will see that that member posted in my Mall thread about the mats making it a PFF issue. YOU made the rules. I'm within them. If the guy didn't want to make it a PFF issue he should have kept it off the forum. The minute he posted in my mall thread he opened himself up for feedback. I reposted the feedback.

[QUOTE]I also freshly remember when you accused me of taking money to let a banned member back on. .



Just repeating what Hugh threatened me with. Take it up with him.


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And now this? So what's your goal here,



To have some consistency. I have been on the receiving end of the worst and most vile insults and profanity there is. Did you edit those comments to stop a flame war? Did you even read Bill's economics thread? I haven't posted in months. I simply made a remark that the forum already knows like the sun is hot or the sky is blue. I could just as easily have said I know as much about computer science as Einstein knows about Fieros. Would you have been offended? If Einstein was alive would he have been offended? Can we all at least acknowledge that there are offensive comments posted here DAILY and who is to know what IS and is NOT offensive to one person or another? I can remember when flying the Confederate flag was not considering offensive. It is now. WHY? Because some people are too sensetive and CHOOSE to interpret a message as offensive whether it is intended that way or not.

The question is, why are you not editing THOSE COMMENTS? What exactly ARE the rules that you let other people slide? Because I can point to a dozen posts in THIS THREAD alone that are more offensive than anything I posted. So I ask again, WHAT IS THE STANDARD? WHAT ARE THE RULES THAT WE ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW? Or do they just apply to Toddster?


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And don't give me your "I'm a long time donator" crap. That gives you no right whatsoever to do here whatever you damn well please to do.



Guess you haven't noticed but I'm not a donor any more; not since your role of benelovent dictator has wained. Strike me down with a thunderbolt if you like but I am not going to shrink in fear of Zeus' reprisals just because I pointed out that he did something wrong. You were wrong Cliff.

note: edited by ME for typos

[This message has been edited by Toddster (edited 12-26-2007).]

Toddster DEC 26, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by OKflyboy:


I gotta agree, man. As a moderator on another forum I gotta tell you, we're damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't.



I'm not arguing with you. I AGREE. We need a moderator. I just wish he WOULD moderate. I get a nothing of a comment edited but the crap that he just ignores is mind blowing. So I want a simple answer to a simple question, what are the rules and do they apply to everyone? If so, where is the consistency? How did my comment get edited but some of the garbage posted by trolls (several who've already weighed in on this discussion with their usual insults and vitriol) get a pass?
Toddster DEC 26, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

And aren’t you the guy who said in a previous thread that home prices will never go down?

Todd you have been a thorn in many peoples side for a long time. If you can’t win a argument with your (in your own minds) superior intellect. You will bash people. No matter what the truth is, you are right.

I also am a moderator on another forum who would never have put up with your crap for as long as Cliff has.

Granted I will admit that I do get out of hand at times here, but only after being degraded by you and others.

Merry Christmas





not worthy of reply.
84fiero123 DEC 26, 11:11 AM
Todd you are not worthy of anything here.

This is Cliffs playpen. If he says no, it’s no.

What’s the matter the truth hurt?

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Toddster DEC 26, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by FieroRumor:

Couldn't have you just "spoken" with Cliff about this via PM?




Would have been happy to do so. I have had other people ask me to edit my own posts before. I can't KNOW what offends every person on the forum. If I say something that someone takes the wrong way and it is politely explained to me then I have always been accomodating. I never got the chance this time.

All I did was make a joke about another forum member; A joke that had I told it to him personally he and I would both just laughed out loud over. That is NOT offensive. But the personal insults that he lets slide makes me question this double standard. What exactly IS out of bounds if THIS was edited but the comment above about me sticking my steering rack where the sun doesn't shine is considered acceptable discourse?
Formula88 DEC 26, 11:15 AM
I have noticed, as I'm sure many others have, that anytime both Todd and Bill post in the same thread, that thread quickly goes to hell, regardless of what the thread was about. Since the thread in question was one started by Cliff about an issue he wanted to discuss, I would imagine his tolerance of BS in that particular thread was less than it might be somewhere else. That and he was obviously reading and following up on that thread, where comments made elsewhere may never be noticed.

Bill had already been active in the thread, when you post what Cliff apparently viewed as a jab at Bill. So rather than wait for the inevitable flame war to ruin the thread, he edited your snide remark and removed Bill's reply.

It was a judgement call on Cliff's part. You may disagree with it, but it's not a matter of right and wrong. He felt you were out of line and took steps to resolve the situation.
James Bond 007 DEC 26, 11:17 AM
I agree,I need some popcorn...
RickN DEC 26, 11:20 AM
We all need to remember that free speech applies only to the government and it's control over speech (and that may or may not only be in the USA), it doesn't apply to individuals and business. This is Cliff's place, Cliff's rules. We're all Cliff's guests.

PFF is much more accommodating than some other forums. I belong to a diesel forum and the owner and moderator's keep a keep a tight reign like you would not believe on that site. There is no tolerance for general subjects at all. Holiday greetings, notice of the death of a forum member or family member, safety notices of a general subject, anything that has nothing to do with diesel trucks no matter how well intentioned is deleted without notice without explanation. There is no Trash Can, those threads are locked and/or deleted immediately.

We have it pretty good here if we just remember that we are guests while visiting PFF.

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Toddster DEC 26, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Formula88:

I have noticed, as I'm sure many others have, that anytime both Todd and Bill post in the same thread, that thread quickly goes to hell, regardless of what the thread was about. Since the thread in question was one started by Cliff about an issue he wanted to discuss, I would imagine his tolerance of BS in that particular thread was less than it might be somewhere else. That and he was obviously reading and following up on that thread, where comments made elsewhere may never be noticed.

Bill had already been active in the thread, when you post what Cliff apparently viewed as a jab at Bill. So rather than wait for the inevitable flame war to ruin the thread, he edited your snide remark and removed Bill's reply.

It was a judgement call on Cliff's part. You may disagree with it, but it's not a matter of right and wrong. He felt you were out of line and took steps to resolve the situation.



Then he could of PMed me and asked for a retraction. I have started countless threads that I wanted to have a serious discussion about that have gone down in flames thanks to the trolls of the world. I do not have the luxury of editing their comments. Should thread founders have the right to edit posts to their threads? I'm OK with that..as long as it applies to everyone.
84fiero123 DEC 26, 11:27 AM
All forum owners are allowed to edit any thread they wish to. All forum owners I belong to.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.