For those that think imported goods sold in America are a good thing. (Page 4/28)
aceman JUL 22, 07:24 PM
Henry Ford failed a couple times before Ford Motor Company was created. What's your point? Most businesses in America fail.

Better to have tried and failed than sit on the porch and ***** about how you would have done this or that and everything would have been a success.

Armchair quarterback.
Phranc JUL 22, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


You said before that some of your companies has failed.




Seeing as I've only had one and its doing swimmingly that statement would be incorrect.
84fiero123 JUL 22, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:
Or if you're like me 15 of them from nothing. All with out your unions. You just sit there and be crotchety while the rest of us move on with out you.



Ah so you are also a pathological liar to.

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Phranc JUL 22, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


Ah so you are also a pathological liar to.




No your anilitical skills and reading comprehension suck with other upper level thinking skills. Show me where I said I created 15 companies. I said 15 jobs. That would include my employees. Now if your done calling me a lier with mis-contextualized quotes I'd gladly accept an apology.

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84fiero123 JUL 22, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:
No your anilitical skills and reading comprehension suck with other upper level thinking skills. Show me where I said I created 15 companies. I said 15 jobs. That would include my employees. Now if your done calling me a lier with mis-contextualized quotes I'd gladly accept an apology.



I no longer can work, or didn’t you comprehend that? I loose the use of my legs at times and with my being on blood thinners, from the stroke no one would hire me.

Education is out as I forget most things as soon as I read them. That could be the reason I misinterpreted what you wrote.

Now maybe I will apologize for calling you a liar but at least I can spell the word. Even without spell check.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

Phranc JUL 22, 09:01 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


I no longer can work, or didn’t you comprehend that? I loose the use of my legs at times and with my being on blood thinners, from the stroke no one would hire me.

Education is out as I forget most things as soon as I read them. That could be the reason I misinterpreted what you wrote.

Now maybe I will apologize for calling you a liar but at least I can spell the word. Even without spell check.





What does your not being able to work have to do with anything?

Spell check doesn't come up with it spelled wrong because "lier" is a legit word. Now since your desperate attempt to make me look bad has made you feel special. And you've given some sob story about why you mis-comprehended my post. And posted a quote out of context to bolster your dishonest argument which has shown your wrong and grasping for a proverbial high ground you wont find. You should apologize instead of saying that maybe you will. It will go a long in recovering some of your credibility.
84fiero123 JUL 22, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:


What does your not being able to work have to do with anything?

Spell check doesn't come up with it spelled wrong because "lier" is a legit word. Now since your desperate attempt to make me look bad has made you feel special. And you've given some sob story about why you mis-comprehended my post. And posted a quote out of context to bolster your dishonest argument which has shown your wrong and grasping for a proverbial high ground you wont find. You should apologize instead of saying that maybe you will. It will go a long in recovering some of your credibility.



No sob story just telling you that I have reading comprehension, memory problems because of a stroke.

My credibility has never been questioned by anyone other than you union haters. When I show proof of the things I say people like you and other union haters just forget them. I have an excuse for my problems, the stroke has impaired my reading retention skills.

What is your excuse.

Would you like a copy of my doctors letter to the disability board.

If I comprehension of what you wrote made me state something incorrectly then I do apologize.

Now how about you?

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

lurker JUL 22, 10:29 PM
the unions are a part of the problem. there was a time when they were the solution, when workplaces were very dangerous, and the workers were paid just enough to keep them alive for another shift. there was a reason they were called "wage slaves". unions helped change that, and it was good.

however, in the last 30 years unions have gotten out of control. in part, it's been because they were doing their job, taking care of the workers, but sometimes it's to coddle the union hierarchy, often at the expense of the workers. just like any organization, power tends to concentrate at the top, and the top of any organization takes care of themselves first and best. when the pendulum swings again, unions will be necessary again, but right now they're part of the problem, not the solution

we have a whole collection of problems contributing to the malaise, the rise of mega stores driving out small business, high domestic wages for (some) workers enlarging markets for cheap imports, high executive salaries and bonuses unrelated to long-term success or failure... the list goes on.

in the midst of all this is the illegal immigration/cheap labor/illegal hiring problem, and the foreign energy dependency problem. im'm sure we could come up with more. The United States is in for hard times, and i think 20-30 years is a reasonable timeline. weve got a bunch of people "employed" in iraq and afghanistan, and a lot more people employed making the things they use. when/if the "war" ends, those folks will have to find something to do.

historically americans have been tough, resourceful and adaptable people who rise to any challenge. i once asked my father who served in ww2 about "the greatest generation", and what that title implied about succeeding generations. he said that people of his generation were just as decadent and self-absorbed as mine, and that they rose to meet the occasion. it wasnt easy, and the outcome was far from certain. hopefully he was right, we are our fathers' sons and will meet these challenges too.

I am concerned, however. in the last couple of decades the situation has changed. we no longer have the security of thousand mile salt water moats, we're already straining to fight a couple of insurgencies, and perhaps most important, we've allowed our heavy industries to decline. you cant build tanks, jets, and aircraft carriers from plastic, or from simulators. while i have no doubt that if sufficiently provoked the people of the United States will willingly bear the burden, i do have doubts that we will have the tools to do the job.

politics plays a part here. the last several administrations (clinton and bush) have stifled or squandered our economic, military and industrial strength, and we're undercutting the individual liberties that made us strong in the name of feel-good "security" and short-term profit. i'm not convinced that in 30 or 40 years this will be the same country my father fought for. there is no magic in the name USA that will protect us from decline if we refuse to see or act on it. maybe it's inevitable , empires come and go. third-world? no. second-rate? quite possibly.

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Phranc JUL 22, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


No sob story just telling you that I have reading comprehension, memory problems because of a stroke.

My credibility has never been questioned by anyone other than you union haters. When I show proof of the things I say people like you and other union haters just forget them. I have an excuse for my problems, the stroke has impaired my reading retention skills.

What is your excuse.
Would you like a copy of my doctors letter to the disability board.

If I comprehension of what you wrote made me state something incorrectly then I do apologize.

Now how about you?




My excuse for what exactly?

I accept your apology.

Now how about me what exactly?
NEPTUNE JUL 23, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Raydar:

I usually shop for the typical "stuff" at Target.
Although I go to Sam's club every few weeks (we buy a lot of stuff in bulk), I hate going to Wal Mart.



Did you not know that Sams IS Wal Mart?
Its named for Sam Walton. He founded both stores.