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Formula88
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JUL 07, 02:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
WTF?! Leader of what?! Because he kicks over a $100 a year to keeping this forum going he can push all of us around, even Cliff? Because he's been bolting smog motors on Fieros for 20 years, he's got to be relelvant to me in California? That's why I can't stand Cletus Archambault, because this kind of misplaced idol worship has gone straight to his head and he often acts like he owns the place. |
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The thing is, Jeff, Archie has never declared himself leader of anything, except his own business. Yet others choose to look at him as a leader. We have many community leaders here whom others look to for answers because they've got the experience and willingness to help.
I don't know why you or anyone else should be offended that someone likes and respects Archie and his work (or anyone else's for that matter).
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WhiteDevil88
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JUL 07, 02:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
I believe PFF is mainly for people trying to keep their Fiero running. People can ask here how to change their oil, how to change a spark-plug, or even how to refill their windshield wiper fluid without being ridiculed. They can ask the simplest of questions, or the most complex questions here. That's what makes PFF a nice place. Because you don't have to be some Fiero Ubertech Geek (or FUG-er  ) to be taken seriously and to be made feel at home.
But to say another place is better because something is discussed there and not here is, well, like I said pretty stupid.
And like I said, I don't have a problem with RTF or any other place. I have a problem with the people on those places rallying up other people to cause problems here. Or go and f-ck up my business forum. Or pretend to be me on a whole bunch of other places and post all kinds of "cool" "gay" remarks. Or forums that use *my* name as if I was one of the moderators (or make it seem I even visit those places for that matter). All that tells me is that apparently, these places can't get by on their own. They need to offer some incentive to get members. And usually that incentive is "PFF sucks, We are better. Cliff sucks. I am better".
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And God Bless PFF for being here for those people. I remember learning all the things I wish I knew then on the pages of this forum. I still think my technical skills, needs, and comprehension put me far more in the demographic for Fiero.nl's brand of quick responses to simpler issues. When it comes time for my mechanic to start on my 3.6 swap, I'll be glad that the RFT Tech forum is there. Until then, I'll do my best to keep the swap-nerds entertained with a joke or two and maybe a funny story.
I've got no problem with fiero.nl. I've been at least lurking sice the Summer of 99. I love a lot of people on this forum. I respect Cliff, and personally can't fully comprehend why he puts up with all that he does. I know that I have caused him some grief and for that I feel terribly, and I respect that he has allowed me to return to posting here. I'm not certain if that was a wise choice on my part, as the same hateful, soul-sucking individuals that turned me off of this place in the first place are still in effect.
As far as all of your issues, Cliff, including the "moderator" status, etc. You have very valid points. Unfortunately, I'm not the one person who can change all that. I can only do what I can.
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WhiteDevil88
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JUL 07, 02:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by bmwguru:
I didn't expect RFT to flip out, but then again, I knew very little about them. i just wanted to know why they feel the need to trash everyone's Fiero. They wouldn't like my Fiero anyway. Why would anyone in their right mind want to try and syncronize and tune four carburetors with individual runners just to run in the 11's or 12's.
Dave
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Wow, Dave. I just checked RFT, there isn't even a thread. I'd hardly classify that as "flipping out". You asked a question. Do you want an answer or do you just want to read a lot of gossip?
I don't see how you can say that RFT exists to "trash everyone's Fiero"? If you are talking about the MasterTunerAkimoto thread, you need a little history lesson, son. Keith Sybliss, aka Master Tuner Akimoto, has been banned off of this forum multiple times for defrauding people. Mostly because his BS was flushed out by RFT members. Now he runs an MSN page taking about his KING OF THE HILL 5.5 litre pushrod caddy with a diesel turbo and a carb. It hasn't moved in 3 years, or even got the engine in, but it's in the 11's now.
Come on, dude, that's comedy gold. If you don't like it, give me another neg and get it over with. Truth is Fieros are cheap cars that people do some pretty hideous things too. How is a thread talking about a hillbilly Fiero on RFT vs the World any different then people trashing a lowridfer Fiero on PFF?
As far as your car, it sounds very interesting. You should post a thread over on RFT, see what kind of reaction you get.
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shawnkfl
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JUL 07, 02:35 PM
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i relate those other "forums" to a pile of dog crap......i walk along, see a pile of dog crap, think to myself "that's disgusting, people should clean up after their dogs". i walk on my way and forget about it. no point in getting pi$$ed off. it's not worth my time. same with those other "forums". piles of crap aren't worth my time. [This message has been edited by shawnkfl (edited 07-07-2007).]
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WhiteDevil88
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JUL 07, 02:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by bmwguru:
I've seen Archie's work up close. It looks pretty damn good to me. Remember, he was putting V8's in Fieros back when they were still making Fieros.
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And? That gives him a special rights on how he can behave on the forum? No disrepect to ou, but I can probably remember a whole lot more Archie then you. Hang around and watch for a while, I used to stick up for him, too.
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WhiteDevil88
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JUL 07, 02:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by shawnkfl:
i relate those other "forums" to a pile of dog crap......i walk along, see a pile of dog crap, think to myself "that's disgusting, people should clean up after their dogs". i walk on my way and forget about it. no point in getting pi$$ed off. it's not worth my time. |
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Yeah, that was helpful to the dialogue.
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madcurl
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JUL 07, 02:52 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by bmwguru:
I like this forum because not too often people get rude with each other. Everyone is pretty friendly and easy going. Everyone has good things to say to each other and is nice enough to keep their mouth shut if someone will get offended. So, Cliff, good work on starting a great forum.
Dave
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I think you've answered your own question "WHY" it's better on Pennock's vs. other forums.
| quote | Originally posted by bmwguru:
Now with other forums out there, such as Real Fiero Tech for starters. WTF? It seems everyone there just wants to trash Archie and Roger Garrison as well as each others cars. Why all the hating and bad ass talk? It seems that every other forum I've seen is like this.
Dave
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They're just "hate n' on R. Garrison cause, "They ain't get'n some." If they did, they'd be bragging bout' it now, hehe. So what is they're alternatives to talk about? Archie...and everything that is associated with him which is a very, very sad state of mind. IMO, (they) resemble the type of obsession that is usually found with a scorned women.
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madcurl
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JUL 07, 03:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by shawnkfl:
I relate those other "forums" to a pile of dog crap......i walk along, see a pile of dog crap, think to myself "that's disgusting, people should clean up after their dogs". i walk on my way and forget about it. no point in getting pi$$ed off. it's not worth my time. same with those other "forums". piles of crap aren't worth my time.
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Hmm...that reminds me of the ole' saying, "You don't eat where you S***." That's one of the difference here vs. over there. Here, we brake bread and talk about our Fieros. Over there, well...you get the picture.
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bmwguru
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JUL 07, 03:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
And? That gives him a special rights on how he can behave on the forum? No disrepect to ou, but I can probably remember a whole lot more Archie then you. Hang around and watch for a while, I used to stick up for him, too. |
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Honestly, I don't know much about Archie other than what I've seen in person, purchased from him and read on this forum. I think he is a stand up guy and respect him. I really, don't have any problems with RFT and sorry if I was a little harsh in my previous post. I am a master tech and could probably contribute to the RFT forum, but the first impression I got is that it is a teenage to 20's tuners forum. I grew out of that phase...I think. When I eventually take my Fiero to the track, I won't run slicks. I want to know an honest 1/4 mile time on street tires. I may not even run it at the track because I enjoy just driving it.
Again, I wasn't trying to bash RFT at all. Maybe I should have made the thread topic "Why is PFF a nice forum". Like I said, Last month my carbs were sneezing and my fuel ratios looked good. I posted this problem on a couple of tech threads and got bashed. Finally, I emailed inglese and they emailed me the fix in under an hour.
I like PFF because I feel that I can speak without anyone bashing me. I enjoy answering members BMW questions in my PMs, and at Carlisle I felt that I knew a few people I never met in person before due to this forum. I've never rated anyone, nor expect to be rated. As I state on my Myspace page....I'm not here to boost my ego.
Dave[This message has been edited by bmwguru (edited 07-07-2007).]
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shawnkfl
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JUL 07, 03:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:
Just a thought, before the RFT trashing starts. Did you think about posting this on RFT where it might do some good instead of just stirring up the poop? |
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yeah. that was helpful to the dialogue.
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