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88Fiero2M4
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JAN 15, 09:14 PM
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Man o man most of you read one or two things I said and ran with it. Go back and read the entire message then make your comment.
One of you Cought the Cam idea here, Another caught the Remove the Cat, and yet another caught another part of it. maby if you put your entire collective base of what you read of my post you will get it.
No I didnt say Putting in just a Cam will give you 200 Hp out of the Duke. I must have listed about 7 differant things with putting in a cam that would net a possable 200 HP. You all managed to blow everything I said out of proportion. I said that with the THE CAM, ROLLER HYDROLIC LIFTERS, CUT THE CAT OFF, REMOVE THE A/C BELT, A K&N FILTER. Would probably get you to 140 HP. 40 hp isnt a Stretch here people Unless you thougt some how in your twisted beer gogles that I said differant. Then I added Change the INTAKE MANIFOLD, PUT ON A HEADER, TAKE THE HOLLY THROTTLE BODY. AND PORT AND POLISH AND WITH ALL THAT YOU MAY GET TO ABOUT 200HP, I count about 9 items that I listed to do that would keep price down and keep you from destroying the engine with a turbo or nitrous.Hazzards of a turbo. Most people dont know that you have to idle an engine that has a turbo for a few minuts after driving it around to allow the turbo to cool down, If you dont you burn up the turbo and any piston with the Valve open when it is shut off. Hazzards with Nitrous are as Follows. To much and you blow your head off, or at least fry the engine wich takes alot of work to fix what you have done wrong. So yes get a Turbo wich will run into the Thousands of Dollars. Or Nitrous with one wrong step will cost you thousands in parts to rebuild and repare. Ya So yu Made your 4 Cylinder better by adding 4 cylinders. YA I bet you pass everything but a gas station.
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88Fiero2M4
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JAN 15, 09:20 PM
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By the way Sending me emails like this will not do anything. Anoter from Good Ol Shaun. Cool to see you saw my email.
NOW PROVE ME WRONG.
Cam, filter and no cat and I want to see 115 hp at the wheels. Lets see it
little man. Everyone is saying its not worth it yet you still dont' believe them. thats
fine. dump your money into that boat anchor of an engine and when its still
dog ass slow with no power dont' come crying. But I still want to see these dyno tests. Dont' spout off at the mouth and
not deliver. Too many phags like that on the forum already. Lets see some
action. Mr Know-it-all
I Think its funny you call me Little man and Phag
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/036986.html
Go look at picture 4 before you spout off your mouth. Ex Prison Guard, Former Security Guard in Las Vegas.
Such Anger over nothing. Go smoke a Blunt, Get wasted at the bar and Calm down man [This message has been edited by 88Fiero2M4 (edited 01-15-2004).]
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chester
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JAN 15, 09:33 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by 88Fiero2M4: Man o man most of you read one or two things I said and ran with it. Go back and read the entire message then make your comment.
One of you Cought the Cam idea here, Another caught the Remove the Cat, and yet another caught another part of it. maby if you put your entire collective base of what you read of my post you will get it.
No I didnt say Putting in just a Cam will give you 200 Hp out of the Duke. I must have listed about 7 differant things with putting in a cam that would net a possable 200 HP. You all managed to blow everything I said out of proportion. I said that with the THE CAM, ROLLER HYDROLIC LIFTERS, CUT THE CAT OFF, REMOVE THE A/C BELT, A K&N FILTER. Would probably get you to 140 HP. 40 hp isnt a Stretch here people Unless you thougt some how in your twisted beer gogles that I said differant. Then I added Change the INTAKE MANIFOLD, PUT ON A HEADER, TAKE THE HOLLY THROTTLE BODY. AND PORT AND POLISH AND WITH ALL THAT YOU MAY GET TO ABOUT 200HP, I count about 9 items that I listed to do that would keep price down and keep you from destroying the engine with a turbo or nitrous. Hazzards of a turbo. Most people dont know that you have to idle an engine that has a turbo for a few minuts after driving it around to allow the turbo to cool down, If you dont you burn up the turbo and any piston with the Valve open when it is shut off. Hazzards with Nitrous are as Follows. To much and you blow your head off, or at least fry the engine wich takes alot of work to fix what you have done wrong. So yes get a Turbo wich will run into the Thousands of Dollars. Or Nitrous with one wrong step will cost you thousands in parts to rebuild and repare. Ya So yu Made your 4 Cylinder better by adding 4 cylinders. YA I bet you pass everything but a gas station. |
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Maybe YOU should put down the pipe like Slammed suggested and I'll quote it for you again from your own post
| quote | Originally posted by 88Fiero2M4:
Both My friend and My cousin say that with the right cam and lifters alone could put the 2.5L in my Fiero Above 200 HP.
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Now maybe reading glasses are in order, I dunno, but it's in bold print, the ALONE part. Get it?
I tried to be cordial and point you to a place to read up on some 4 cylinder performance options and you come off like we're all a bunch of drunk'n hicks...These twisted beer goggles seem to be reading just right...thank you... Oh and yeah, I'm sure a 200+ HP duke will get GREAT gas mileage as well  While you’re having it towed that is... Have a nice dukie day... Rob D
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88Fiero2M4
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JAN 15, 09:34 PM
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Now that I have that Cleared up, All I have to say is 84 Indy Pace car..... The real one not the Stock ones that you got from the dealer that Puts out 92 hp. Its not possable to get over 200 Hp out of the duke. Then tell General Motors that about the Real Pace car. and two you dont need a high reving engine to get Power. 2 engines that are an example. First is in the Kenworth that I drive. Red line is about 2300 RPM and it Puts out a hell of alot of Power mostly in Torque.
Second Engine is that 1959 Lycomming In my Grandfathers plane. it is a 6 cylinder pushrod engine with a Carb on it.... not injection. it made 250 HP and only redlined at 2400 rpm. Sure It ran 110 octane fuel. So run that same fuel in your car.
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88Fiero2M4
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JAN 15, 09:38 PM
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This entire Community is a Joke, Good by I can make it on my own. I never needed any of you, I have never asked for any help. I dont need your help.
I guess my friends are right. How About instead of buying Fieros. Just get a real car.
I will take that money for a Fiero GT and go to Klodi and get a 96 Camero SS and get it over with.
BTW my Fieros are not for sale at any price I will turn them into trailers to pull behind my Camero when I get it[This message has been edited by 88Fiero2M4 (edited 01-15-2004).]
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chester
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JAN 15, 09:39 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by 88Fiero2M4: Now that I have that Cleared up, All I have to say is 84 Indy Pace car..... The real one not the Stock ones that you got from the dealer that Puts out 92 hp. Its not possable to get over 200 Hp out of the duke. Then tell General Motors that about the Real Pace car. and two you dont need a high reving engine to get Power. 2 engines that are an example. First is in the Kenworth that I drive. Red line is about 2300 RPM and it Puts out a hell of alot of Power mostly in Torque.
Second Engine is that 1959 Lycomming In my Grandfathers plane. it is a 6 cylinder pushrod engine with a Carb on it.... not injection. it made 250 HP and only redlined at 2400 rpm. Sure It ran 110 octane fuel. So run that same fuel in your car. |
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The real Indy Pace car ran a SUPER DUTY like I have in mine. Far cry from the Iron Duke.. Please do some research... Thanks for clearing things up...I thought I was done in this thread...
Rob D.
[This message has been edited by chester (edited 01-15-2004).]
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avengador1
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JAN 15, 09:43 PM
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Any engine can be made to make tremendous horsepower. We all know the formula. Speed=$$$$ How fast do you wanna go?  A stock duke might be forced to make 200HP but how long would it last?
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chester
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JAN 15, 09:48 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by 88Fiero2M4: BTW my Fieros are not for sale at any price I will turn them into trailers to pull behind my Camero when I get it |
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ROFLMAO! Now I'm done.... Rob D.
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Oreif
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JAN 15, 09:56 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by 88Fiero2M4: No I didnt say Putting in just a Cam will give you 200 Hp out of the Duke.
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Well this is sort of true, It was actually your friend and your cousin,
and I quote.......
| quote | Originally posted by 88Fiero2M4:
Both My friend and My cousin say that with the right cam and lifters alone could put the 2.5L in my Fiero Above 200 HP.
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But the funny part is you BELIEVED them!
| quote | Originally posted by 88Fiero2M4:
If you dont believe it, then Explain why in 1970 cars were pushing 400 Hp and just 10 years later with the only major change to engines was a Cat that those same engines were making half the Horse Power?
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WRONG, If you would take a look, The engines had cat's added, compression was lowered, cams were smaller, and the carbs were de-tuned so an EGR could be used (all starting around 1975). This was done to increase gas milage and reduce exhaust pollution. That is why the horsepower dropped. The only reason the horsepower increased with fuel injection, was because the EFI systems monitor the exhaust and constantly adjust the system to maintain the low emission levels. Since the sytem monitors and changes constantly, the efficiency of the engines increased, resulting in more horsepower. A carb is great for all out performance, but not so good at keeping emissions down.
| quote | | Originally posted by 88Fiero2M4: I said that with the THE CAM, ROLLER HYDROLIC LIFTERS, CUT THE CAT OFF, REMOVE THE A/C BELT, A K&N FILTER. Would probably get you to 140 HP.
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No, You'll have about 110hp. The stock cast head on a 2.5L Fiero engine can only flow so much air. No matter how big of a cam you install.
| quote | Originally posted by 88Fiero2M4:
Then I added Change the INTAKE MANIFOLD, PUT ON A HEADER, TAKE THE HOLLY THROTTLE BODY. AND PORT AND POLISH AND WITH ALL THAT YOU MAY GET TO ABOUT 200HP, |
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No, You'll have about 140hp. (and that is being generous! I doubt you'll see much over 130hp normally aspirated.)
Even with using stronger rods, Better crank, (stroking it to a 2.7L) higher compression pistons, an SD4 head, custom ground cam, and aftermarket intake with a 670cfm dual injector throttle body, The engine dyno'd at 175hp. The engine was built for the purpose of performance and was built from the bare block up. Not just sliding in a cam and reworking the head of a stock engine.
The SD4 head stock has a lot more flow than the stock Fiero 2.5L head does ported/polished. It all comes down to flow. The stock head on the Fiero 2.5L cannot flow enough air to support much over 120hp, Ported and polished you might get into the 150hp range. You will never get near 200hp normally aspirated.
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LoW_KeY
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JAN 15, 10:36 PM
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