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Mastermind JAN 05, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by fierospeeder:

I dont see any hondas beating John Force.


And reliability is a bogus argument. cuz jap cars break down just as much.


Geez. First, John Force's car is RWD Hondas are FWD two different classes of racing which NEVER race head to head. Second, you are right and wrong. Yes, Japanese cars do breakdown, the point is they don't breakdown as often as domestic cars.

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fierospeeder JAN 06, 12:54 AM
exactly they can make 1000hp, big deal. Like it is hard to add two turbos on a car. Its still a piece of **** car.


Id rather own an AMC Pacer or a Gremlin, then be a moron and own a ricer.


I saw one of the so called ricer boy today with his 2 foot tall wing playing "fast and furious" in traffic. Tailgating everyone, and cutting everyone off. And he wasn't able to accomplish anything.

To the other guy. There is a RWD ricer that is in the Professional drag racing scene. But your not a real car euthusiast to know that. So what excuse are u gonna give that it is still a slow car?


Watch the next monster garage when jesse james says "ricers are slow". That is why hes going to be putting a jet engine on the ricer. So now it can be fast with the help of domestic technology.


Im an idiot. LOL. Your buddies that own ricers are the ones that made ricers be ordinary economy cars to stupid cars. Ive never seen tasteless mods done to a domestic car, except those who cant afford a ricer. Spoilers, exhaust, stickers, emblems from other cars. etc.... And when you buy a ricer magazine at the store, you get to be proud of the great ricer addons that vendors are selling. That 3 foot spoiler really helps with the needed downforce for going in and out of traffic at 30mph.


Domestic cars suck at reliability? Another myth that jap car owners talk about. "oh my brand new jap car is so reliable" hmm maybe because it's brand new. What lame comebacks are you gonna use to prove that ricers last forever? Theres always people on the forum who had 200,000-300,000 miles with their domestics. But we must ignore those statements.
Or the part about japanese quality is so much better, but wait, jap cars are built in the US. And domestics are built in the US. So somehow one is more reliable.
My neighbor has a jap car, and one day it didn't start due to a electrical problem. That isn't too reliable. Maybe the jap companies should build better electrical parts. My domestic car's electronics go out after 12 years.
And if imports last so long, why are there always so many more "old" domestics on the road still going?

John Wayne would be dissapointed in all the ricer lovers.

The Fieromaster JAN 06, 01:03 AM
As for SLAMMED87GT - Well put... you never ceace to amaze me, we always seem to agree!

As for fierospeeder - Until you open your eyes you foever will be a nieve, ignorant little boy

As for THIS THREAD - DEAR GOD go to the Trash Can already... its turned into another flame war.

Mastermind JAN 06, 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by fierospeeder:

To the other guy. There is a RWD ricer that is in the Professional drag racing scene. But your not a real car euthusiast to know that. So what excuse are u gonna give that it is still a slow car?



You did mention Honda's vs John Force. So is that RWD Ricer a Honda? Don't think so Mr. real enthusiast.

BTW You should watch Hi-Rev Tuners, Nopi Tunervision and Super2NR TV you might learn something. But it will happen only if you have a open mind.

sennyGT JAN 06, 01:49 AM
All that I have to say is that if it weren't for the rice community a lot of us wouldn't have the rims that are on our cars. It would be hard to convince anyone that american racing would produce rims for a fiero rather than a celica. So if we didn't have such a common bolt pattern we would be SOL.
JohnnyK JAN 06, 07:32 AM
fierospeeder: yeah, you sure sound like a real 'enthusiast', bashing everything that isn't american...
you know, model for model, straight out of the showrooms, I'm gonna have to say the japanese cars are faster, compared to their
american counterparts..
Master Tuner Akimoto JAN 06, 09:30 AM
This is a very interesting discussion and I hope we can keep it civil without fussing at each other,but all cars are great and they have their own personalities domestic or rice.
I have been tuning cars since the 70's and have worked on American ,Japs ,German English and they all have their strong and weak points and i like them all.It is not fair to compare a top fuel or John Force to a Honda (rice)like it is not fair to compare a F1 Honda to a pro stock they are night and day apart in performance eg:
(1) The top fuel or John Force (1000hp)will kick the crap out of a F1 in a 1/4 mile but the F1 Honda(600hp) will kick the stuffings out a top fuel over a mile and run 225mph all day long.The word Tuner (when refering to cars)came from Germany in the 70,s when any cars that was modified anything from stock was called a tuner car and was registered as that because it was not original any more Mercedes Benz (AMG) or Ford mustang (Saleen)or Mustang (Shelby)orCamaro (Copo / Yenko)
The muscle car era was great for neck snapping acceleration,chopping cams and V8 rumble and big engines and horsepower but times have changed and now the japs havetaken our technology and raised it to a new level very high and now we have been trying to catch up and is almost there and we can't sit on our laurels and take it for granted.
1000hp how eever obtained takes work and brainpower just like a big block 454 or 350 and for a 4 or 6 cyl to produce that kind of power and competitive is unreal for so small a motor credit is due.When I go to the track and see Hondas running 12 sec or a Toyota Solara running a 7 sec 1/4 you are awed or a rotary 13b engine revving to 10,000rpm and doing the 1/4 in 9sec runs you have to appreciate these jap cars no matter how you hate them.Go to Puerto Rico at Salinas speedway it ia a hot bed of import speed where Toyota Starlets are running 8 and 9 sec like it was for free while the V8's heavily modded can barely make a 10 sec run so you have to give them credit even if you hate them.
If you have ever driven a Modified Supra or the Skyline 400 you would pee in your pants at the pure speed of these cars a feeling that a V8 will not provide just raw speed not torque just like riding in a jet while the Benz or BMW is just silky smooth speed.Here is 1150 hp street driven grocery getter looks like.

Notice who likes fast Jap cars:

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Tuners of the Quickest 4.9
12.51@118 mph

4.5 (RSR)Hi Perf. Caddi-V8
In place and running.

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SplineZ JAN 06, 01:13 PM
I dont know where your thoughts lie, however, I'd hardly call a 1000HP supra, or 1000HP RX7 "RICE".. Usually "RICE" are lame base model civics with stickers, huge wings, and rocketlauncher exhausts.. Mostly automatic.. Ones that would have a hard time breaking american speed limits, but in KM/hr

Those cars above actually have the performance to match their looks..

300hp out of an import is THAT impressive.. and so what if its been done before? Like ANYTHING now days is 100% ORIGINAL... almost everything has been done before..

James Z

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fierospeeder JAN 06, 01:23 PM
yup, i watch Hi-Rev Tuners, Nopi Tunervision and Super2NR TV everyweek, because spike had to go all lame and put ricers on the normal car weekend shows. Horsepower tv started to suck when they started modifying hondas. Which didn't teach anyone anything except for putting a KN filter on a car. Bring back TNN.


Nopi is the worst. 99% ricers and the rest biki contests. dont learn much from that show.
The other cable show is about rap stars who have SUVs with 20inch wheels.

The only good ricer show is the one with the two gay twins. Only because they focus more on european cars then ricers. And they had vw bugs racing ricers on the track.


Actually there is a RWD ricer. If cliff still does PIP i can scan and post it.
You take a frame, put a diff in the back, ricer engine up front, fiberglass body. And you have a ricer drag car.


Raw speed is having a 300hp motorcycle, not a 10 sec ricer.


If you wanna brag about celebrities. Real REAL car guys... Jay Leno, and Tim allen.
You can also include Titus.


Here ya go Mastermind because your a moron. Making Illinois people look stupid.
Matt Scranton, and George Loannou both ricer drivers. They have RWD imports.
oh ya, hondas are slow. Because both of them are running toyota engines.


Johnnyk, i said it before. Im only bashing Asian crap. Not european, brazil, african, or america. JUST ASIAN CARS. Go drive your Kia back to school and learn to read.

Fastest production cars ferrari, lamborghini, and dodge. Dont see any Asian cars.

Fastest Funny Car John force another point for non asian countries.

Fastest Top fuel Budweiser king top fuel dragster. Kenny berstein, 6500hp. american motor.

Fastest Pro outlaw. turbo charged mustang. Non Asian

Fastest IHRA PRO mod. Non asian again. OMG theres a pattern. blown alcohol chevy 2200hp

Fastest Formula 1 BMW i dont think thats an Asian name.


And the fastest imports that are RWD are not running 4 cylinders. Either inline 6 or a v8. Pst 4 bangers.


So now why should i buy a car from Asia? Or like a car where stupid people dress it up with spoilers, air dams, stickers, coffee can exhaust, sounds like a vacuum cleaner going down the street, and 99% of them are FWD. And real car guys dont drive FWD cars. I love waking up in the morning for some torque steer

If all you guys are such import lovers, what are you doing in this forum?

stimpy JAN 06, 01:50 PM
So what exactly is it that you hate? Is it front wheel drive? Because the majority of domestic new cars are, guess what? Front wheel drive. Is it four cylinders? Kinda like the mighty duke? Because most entry level vehicles are sporting four bangers. Is it because you are a broke-ass hater who can't get credit for a new car? Sorry, can't help you there. Or is it just because you hate Asian people, Asian culture, and anything that has to do with the far east? I'm thinking I've hit the mark with that one.

Like Johnny said, let us know when you get 1000hp out of your Fiero. Shoot, I'll be impressed if you can show me a dyno slip for 300 out of your Fiero. Until then, keep munchin them boogers.