How much will it take for people to understand the meaning of Islam? (Page 4/14)
Mach10 NOV 20, 03:45 PM
 
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

Isnt that what Hitler said to the Nazis about Arians?

I hear about the Koran, Coran or whatever says not to ever kill, but all just about any Islams you hear about do, is kill anyone whos not their friend. THEY dont even know what their religion is about. Sorry, but in my opinion, the world would be better off if they all joined Karesh and went to whatever kind of 'heaven' they have. Yes, there are probably good ones, but the percentage is sooooooooo low, Id except the loss :P


There were 1,678,442,000 muslims in the world as of 1998.

There were 348 terrorist attacks in 2001. Not all were Islam related.

By "so many," I'm assuming you mean that at least half (a majority) are terrorists.

Which would mean that on average, each of the 348 attacks (if they WERE islam-related) would have been involving 2,411,554 muslims.

Right. If that's true you have your work cut out for you...

Now, I might be a little insane to suggest it, but is there even the slightest possibilty that CNN won't report on what happens in the Muslim world if nobody dies? If nothing else, for space constraints. 1.6 billion people would take up a LOT of air-time.

Steve Normington NOV 20, 04:13 PM
 
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Originally posted by Mach10:

There were 1,678,442,000 muslims in the world as of 1998.

There were 348 terrorist attacks in 2001. Not all were Islam related.

By "so many," I'm assuming you mean that at least half (a majority) are terrorists.

Which would mean that on average, each of the 348 attacks (if they WERE islam-related) would have been involving 2,411,554 muslims.

Right. If that's true you have your work cut out for you...

Now, I might be a little insane to suggest it, but is there even the slightest possibilty that CNN won't report on what happens in the Muslim world if nobody dies? If nothing else, for space constraints. 1.6 billion people would take up a LOT of air-time.

Thank you. I was going to make the same point, but I didn't have time to look up the statistics.

frontal lobe NOV 20, 04:14 PM
You can't be clogging up the CNN and other air waves with news of what happens in other countries. We need to hear about Michael Jackson and his problems, and Britney and Justin, and other hard-hitting issues like that.
ray b NOV 20, 04:18 PM
 
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Originally posted by trailboss:

Yeah right,
Hitler and the KKK were Christians?
Try again, that is a pretty lame asessment.
Hitler did buddy up with the Catholic church, I agree on that, however many churches claim to be Christian but there is the doctrine of justification by faith which the catholic church does not agree with historic Christianity.
{council of Trent}
Constantinople claimed to be a Christian, however he trusted in works also.
Jesus said that "by their fruits you shall know them"
None of the above passes the smell test.

Hitler was a catholic, rased in the church, and a life long dues paid up member, NEVER thrown out!!!!!!
to be in the SS they checked that you were a christian and all your grandparents were christian too or you were not allowed in!!!!

by your smell test NONE of the current christian leaders pass

nor do any rightwing republicans pass

BTW KKK was 100% christian and today most of the former KKKmen are REPUBLICANS NOW, or dead or reformed
there were NO libs in the KKK or the SS
but they were all rightwingers and christian
and proud to be both JUST LIKE YOU

BTW WHO IS "Constantinople" that is a CITY now known as istanbul not a person

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Mach10 NOV 20, 04:22 PM
 
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Originally posted by frontal lobe:

You can't be clogging up the CNN and other air waves with news of what happens in other countries. We need to hear about Michael Jackson and his problems, and Britney and Justin, and other hard-hitting issues like that.

HERESY TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE!

Quick, I think Jacko is looking faintly sick at the camera again!!! *clicks remote frantically*

Mach10 NOV 20, 04:25 PM
 
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Originally posted by ray b:

BTW WHO IS "Constantinople" that is a CITY now known as istanbul not a person

I think he was trying to sling a little history to make him look less iggerant. I believe he was talking about Emperor Constantine. You know, the guy who tried to reform the Roman Empire, and relocated the Roman power-base to what is now Istanbul.

Songman NOV 20, 04:26 PM
trailboss... I understand that under Sharia Law or whatever that those things are tolerated... I still believe that to be more or a national/racial custom than actual religion...

For those jumping on trailboss' words... I agree that you are twisting his words.. Do I say that someone who professes to be Christian and then gos out and murders his family execution style is NOT really Christian.. Dang right I do. It takes more than saying you are Christian to be Christian. Am I saying that Christians do not do wrong... Not at all.. And neither is trailboss. But he is saying that it is not accepted as it is in Islam.

As far as all the fanatics that were posted in the pictures... They are just that - fanatics. The Third Reich was not a Christian organization, nor was it made up of Christians so that has nothing to do with this conversation... The KKK, while I do not agree with them, was a completely different orgnazation in the late 1800s when they were founded. In my lifetime I have known the Klan to go after wife-beaters, child molesters, and ne'r-do-wells... regardless of color. Of course, now it is all about skinhead white supremicists and that is wrong.. But still not Christian based. They may say they are but as I pointed out above, saying it is not the gauge of Christianity.

loafer87gt NOV 20, 04:44 PM
I think what has made me so jaded against the Muslim faith is that whenever an terrorist attack or random act of violence takes place, you see the streets lined with middle eastern people celebrating the deaths of the innocent victims, usually accompanied by the burning of the American flag or some other symbol of western culture. I'll admit there has been some sick acts done by individuals in the so called name of christianity, but when was the last time you saw the Christian community coming together to celebrate the acts of Koresh or the KKK. I don't think I have ever seen such an occasion; it's because the majority of true christians don't believe in such acts and would never do anything to endorse such actions. But the muslim community on the other hand, although supposdely a peaceful bunch, seems to love nothing more than a good blood bath in the name of Allah.

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Mach10 NOV 20, 04:46 PM
 
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Originally posted by Songman:

As it has been stated here many time, the Qu'ran DOES NOT condone these actions. The horrible things happening in the mid-east are the result of the same ignorance, perversion, and malinterpretation that formed the KKK, the 3rd Reich, and a host of other crap.

The problem is that there are many different versions of the Qu'ran, lots of different books, and a lot of opportunity to interpret the teachings for your own political gain.

Hey, kinda like the what, 19 popular "translations" of the bible?

No, those groups are NOT supported by the bible. But they believed that they were. And THAT is what the point is. You are DEAD wrong. Nazi Germany was intensly religious. Church attendance was MANDATORY for admission into the Nazi party. Hitler gave many speeches about theology. The Nazi attrocities were done in the name of Christ.

The KKK was founded with religious roots. The members used obscure material to justify their actions. It didn't even have to make sense.

Dennis keeps posting about various crap happening out east. It's these sects of misguided islam that are doing it, not the Islam religion.

And small-minded fools like trailboss just eat it up. It's much more convenient to swallow it whole than actually consider the implications.

If Islam truly DID preach violence towards everyone else, we would have a horde 1.6 BILLION large marching towards Washington.

Either that, or something is missing from this equation.

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Mach10 NOV 20, 04:51 PM
 
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Originally posted by loafer87gt:

I think what has made me so jaded against the Muslim faith is that whenever an terrorist attack or random act of violence takes place, you see the streets lined with middle eastern people celebrating the deaths of the innocent victims, usually accompanied by the burning of the American flag or some other symbol of western culture. I'll admit there has been some sick acts done by individuals in the so called name of christianity, but when was the last time you saw the Christian community coming together to celebrate the acts of Koresh or the KKK. I don't think I have ever seen such an occasion; it's because the majority of true christians don't believe in such acts and would never do anything to endorse such actions. BUt the muslim community on the other hand, although supposdely a peaceful bunch, seems to love nothing more than a good blood bath in the name of Allah.

See, here we have a legitimate reason for dislike.

Small consolation it may be, but would it help to know that maybe 1/10th (if that) of that crowd can read, and that they are reacting to the same kind of misleading propaganda that is flooding "our side" also?

That is why the mid-east is such a cess-pit for fanaticism. Most of them cannot read; They themselves don't have a clue what the Qu'ran actually says. They are totally devoted to a priest-figure who has every ability at his fingertips to twist words to follow his own agenda.

Put it this way; The "bad" muslims, the ones hell-bent on taking bites out of the West are going to reap what they sow.

What saddens me are how many "good" or "indifferent" muslims are going to suffer because of some ******* 's chip on his shoulder.