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ray b

MAR 28, 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick's Dad:
I'm sorry if this offends you. I'd be happier (and much more thankful) if there were a way for Cliff to place an "Ignore Member" button on the Forum. Then we could all get some peace.

One argument may be that if we ignore him, he will stop posting diatribes as he has. Unfortunately, history has not borne that out. He's pretty Facist about letting others know his disdain while attempting to ridicule those who do not agree. I assume that once I get sick of him, someone else will pick up the mantle.

one way to ignore is not to "QUOTE THEM" or ask questions of them

" What do you think of Harvard University? "

First and BEST U in USA and NOT BOB JONES U thats the worse U

"The Christians (whom you equate with conservatives) who founded this country created the three branches of Government based on a Bible verse. "
BS
most of the founding fathers were dieist NOT CHRISTIAN George washington BEN franklin tom jefferson to name a few

".). Lastly, the Abolutionist movement spread like wildfire from the pulpits (that's churches, ray) of the North. The Christians were ready to go to war for the rights of human beings."

wonder if they were LIBERALS? YES THEY WERE
as the cons quoted their bibles to justiphy their owning slaves!!!!!

"ray, ahve you ignored the fact that the terrorists made an incredible amount of money supplying opium to the world market? I'm sure that the cells in South America have nothing to do with cocaine"

well if the stupid laws were changed to remove extra profit NO MORE TERROR or millions inprisoned unjustly or need for extra cops or OD's on unknown quality stuff
AND a big DROP in crimes AND MOB's income BUT O NO WE CAN'T do THAT!!!!!!!!!
STUPID CHRISTIANS same one who backed 20's booze ban still DONOT GET IT
STUPID LAWS CAUSE CRIME!!!!!!!!!!!

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AgaricX

MAR 28, 05:16 AM

ray b

I'd take your views a bit more seriously if you didn't have a very noticeable spelling problem...

Granted, I'm not taking a side here because it's 4am and I have genetics and biochem to work on... but if you're going to formulate arguments then please spell them correctly. You could at least have a spell checker do it for you.

Now I don't equate spelling errors to misinformation on a topic. I DO however equate it with ignorance.

My 2 cents for tonight.

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Sootah

MAR 28, 04:54 PM

Anybody even consider that EdsB52 may have been in a serious car accident, lost all of his literary skills, and came back as ray b?

Then again, I actually liked Eds some of the time...

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TRiAD

MAR 28, 06:07 PM

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You're both right, and you're both wrong.

The founding fathers were professed Christians, but they were also Freemasons. It stands to argue they were confused, since Christianity and Freemasonry have opposing positions on many issues. They DID, however, use the Bible as a template for some of the layout of the government.

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"Anybody even consider that EdsB52 may have been in a serious car accident, lost all of his literary skills, and came back as ray b?
Then again, I actually liked Eds some of the time..."

I've been saying this since Eds got banned and ray appeared.

Patrick's Dad

MAR 28, 09:28 PM

rayb predated EdBs52's ouster.

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Originally written by George Washington, 9 October 1789:
While just government protects all in their religious rights, true religion affords to government its surest support.

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11 March 1792:
May the same wonder-working Deity, who long since delivering the Hebrews from their Egyptian Oppressors planted them in the promised land - whose providential agency has lately been conspicuous in establishing these United States as an independent Nation - still continue to water them with the dews of Heaven and to make the inhabitants of every denomination participate in the temporal and spiritual blessings of that people whose God is Jehovah.

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Origianlly written by Benjamin Franklin, 9 March 1790, to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale:
Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.
That the most acceptable service we render to Him is in doing good to His other Children. That the sould of Man is immortal, and will be treated with Justice in another Life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound Religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever Sect I meet with them.
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, is the best the World ever saw, or is likely to see.

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Originally written by Thomas Jefferson, 4 July 1776:
We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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Written tp Dr. Benjamin Rush, 21 April 1803:
My views...are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others....

I am thankful to have been born in a country formed by the hands, minds, and lives of men like these. That untold thousands more gave their life for her. That, though this is a debt that none can pay, they did this freely and proudly for me, though they did not know me.

Thank you to anyone on this Forum in service of our great Union.

Logicdragon

MAR 28, 11:36 PM

I knew this would turn into a flame war before I even read the first post. Very rarely can 2 people argue the existence of God without involving emotions. I would join but its already out of my taste. One thing though, your entire arguement can be compressed down to one question. "How can evil exist if God exists and he is omni-benevolent?"

ray b

MAR 29, 12:51 AM

I think triad is the POPE
DEIEST belive in god but not the christ
GW when president in NYNY attended a local church most sundays BUT NEVER TOOK COMMUMION
as he was not a christian
even I agree with ben F that JC had a good idea "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, is the best the World "but Ben F was not a christian non does above quote say he is just thinks the ideas were good!!!!
deiest belived in a creator as tom J said butnot in churchs or JC
dr B Rush seams to be saying the same NO to churchs

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Cliff Pennock

MAR 29, 05:15 AM

Jefrysuko

MAR 29, 09:48 AM

Time for Star Wars quotes again?

fierobear

MAR 29, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by Logicdragon:
I knew this would turn into a flame war before I even read the first post. Very rarely can 2 people argue the existence of God without involving emotions. I would join but its already out of my taste. One thing though, your entire arguement can be compressed down to one question. "How can evil exist if God exists and he is omni-benevolent?"

Because free will exists, under God. Evil ones could choose to do good, but choose to do evil instead.

Without free will, we'd be nothing more than puppets. God doesn't want puppets. Put another way, how thrilled would you be if your mate loved you not because he/she chose to, but because you *made* he/she love you? There wouldn't be much joy in that, would there?