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Scott-Wa
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NOV 13, 09:48 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by texasfiero:
Why don't you also attack other 'religions' of hatred of gays? Are you biased negatively toward Christians
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Because it is "Chrisitians" that are putting up business websites attacking gays, it is "Christians" that are the ones that are attempting to restrict in any manner gay peoples rights, be it marriage, or otherwise.
It is a specific type of christian, the most vocal type at the moment, the ones that want power over others. It's not the christians that are marrying gays, that's for sure. I'm biased negatively to people that would impose their religious morales on me and others. As I'm not the one being targetted at the moment... I'm being negative about you attempting to impose this one specific religous view on others. Plenty of times it's been MY ancestors those from YOUR religion have targeted... with lots of dead people as the final result. Christians in the past has made it illegal to do business with jews, gypsies, etc. Other religions have done similar things, but they aren't doing it in this country... don't ya'll remember the claim that this is a christian nation? As such, when someone is spouting the bible and attempting to change laws based on the bible, they get the feedback. I don't see anyone from any other religious group in the US doing this through their business or from a position in the government. Do you?
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Patrick's Dad
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NOV 13, 10:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
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But some humans are regarded as less than something that has no [soul?
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I've been trying not to respond until I sift through the next five pages, but this one tipped the scales;
The answer is "Yes, the unborn."
Also, to answer another question that you brought up by Phranc, yes, it is extremely politically correct to be intolerant of and make fun of the Judeo/Christian faith and its adherents. Muslims, no, Christians, yes.
EDIT: Wrong person credited for question[This message has been edited by Patrick's Dad (edited 11-13-2006).]
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jstricker
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NOV 13, 10:04 PM
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84Bill
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NOV 13, 10:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Scott-Wa:
Because it is "Chrisitians" that are putting up business websites attacking gays, it is "Christians" that are the ones that are attempting to restrict in any manner gay peoples rights, be it marriage, or otherwise.
It is a specific type of christian, the most vocal type at the moment, the ones that want power over others. It's not the christians that are marrying gays, that's for sure. I'm biased negatively to people that would impose their religious morales on me and others. As I'm not the one being targetted at the moment... I'm being negative about you attempting to impose this one specific religous view on others. Plenty of times it's been MY ancestors those from YOUR religion have targeted... with lots of dead people as the final result. Christians in the past has made it illegal to do business with jews, gypsies, etc. Other religions have done similar things, but they aren't doing it in this country... don't ya'll remember the claim that this is a christian nation? As such, when someone is spouting the bible and attempting to change laws based on the bible, they get the feedback. I don't see anyone from any other religious group in the US doing this through their business or from a position in the government. Do you?
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I remember that and suddenly ALOT of things made sense. The more I dug into the relationship between government and christians / catholics and jews the more I saw it.. And the madder I started to get.. I'm no longer mad.. I found it foggs my focus.
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jstricker
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NOV 13, 10:08 PM
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Well, I rated you. Somehow, I never gave you a + in all this time. I'd never rated you at all. I thought I had a LONG time ago. You're heavy one + now. 
John Stricker
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Perhaps not by you or me, but...
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Patrick's Dad
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NOV 13, 10:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
I alway concidered "having nothing, so having nothing to lose" a STRENGTH in MY life!
'What value a thing that can be taken from you?"
I think something like that is in the bible, somewhere.
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Again....
Not exactly, Boonie. I think that it goes something like this:
Mat 6:19 "Do not accumulate for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.
Mat 6:20 But accumulate for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and thieves do not break in and steal.
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Mat 6:22 "The eye is the lamp of the body. If then your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if your eye is diseased, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
Mat 6:24 "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
Work, make money, but don't value it over your obligation to God Himself.
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Patrick's Dad
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NOV 13, 10:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
I believe the romans were almost that progressive but I don't know for sure. I do know the gay lifestyle was VERY much a part of the culture and hermapordites were reveared. |
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And I believe that, shortly (historically speaking) after these trends began that Rome, itself, ended....
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ray b
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NOV 13, 10:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
If you don't know then you should say "None that I know of". Then you'd be correct.
There has been NO recorded civilization that has allowed gay MARRIAGE. Homosexuality has been tolerated, but never allowed to be married. Not surprisingly, as the morals of the civilizations changed to accept more deviancies, the civilizations went into decline.
You have a grasp of history, Bill. I know you do. You should have known this. Or did you, and just CHOOSE to not acknowledge it?
FROM AN OTHER POST
#3 You don't agree that homosexuality is normal and in fact want it abolished legally and persecuted in every way possible.
John Stricker
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BOTH GREEKS AND ROMANS AT THE HIGHT of their civilization saw nothing wrong with gays
the ROMAN civilization went into decline AFTER THE CHRISTIANS TOOK OVER
WHILE I THINK THATS A DECLINE IN MORALS, I note christian values not old gods values
were a direct cause of the fall of empire
in fact the romans saw them selfs as very moral just not hung-up on sex under the old system
and the sack of rome was about 80 years after the christians got total power
vs running fine for 800 years before that
#3 is the problem the people [landscapers] wanted to boast about their intolerance
and their side [nut christians ] have a history of trying to use laws to suppress gays
this is not an idle threat but a real effort to suppress people
I donot blame the gays for fighting back in any [legal] way they can againts this
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Question wonder and be wierd
are you kind?
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84Bill
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NOV 13, 10:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick's Dad:
Work, make money, but don't value it over your obligation to God Himself. |
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How about sex with the same sex, drugs.. rock and roll.. getting drunk... laughing?
Err.. just keeping it on topic.
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84Bill
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NOV 13, 10:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick's Dad:
And I believe that, shortly (historically speaking) after these trends began that Rome, itself, ended.... |
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Actually it was happening the whole time Rome existed.. even the day before it was built from what I understand... and even into the next era all the way up to present day where it still exists.. Armageddon anyone?[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 11-13-2006).]
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