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84Bill
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JUL 19, 10:24 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by Fastback 86: |
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Riiiight SERVITUDE / SLAVERY IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL REGARDLESS!!!! So....... YOU ARE WRONG! Sig Test
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Arriving back at the intersection where yesterdays incident happened, 84Bill spots Fastback 86's wrekage still smouldering on the side of the road.
Somwhere between 75 & 85 mph the small pieces of Fastback 86 begain to rain down like confetti as 84Bill flipped the bird through the rear window on his way to the Knukle Dragger County's Kookler Powerless Generating Sub Station. [This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 07-19-2004).]
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Fastback 86
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JUL 19, 10:41 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by 84Bill:
Riiiight
SERVITUDE / SLAVERY IS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL REGARDLESS!!!! So....... YOU ARE WRONG! Sig Test
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Arriving back at the intersection where yesterdays incident happened, 84Bill spots Fastback 86's wrekage still smouldering on the side of the road.
Somwhere between 75 & 85 mph the small pieces of Fastback 86 begain to rain down like confetti as 84Bill flipped the bird through the rear window on his way to the Knukle Dragger County's Kookler Powerless Generating Sub Station. |
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Its NOT Servitude/Slavery, you moron! Why is that so damn hard for you to understand??
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84Bill
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JUL 19, 11:55 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by Fastback 86:
Its NOT Servitude/Slavery, you moron! Why is that so damn hard for you to understand??
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What's "not Servitude/Slavery you moron!"?
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Fastback 86
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JUL 20, 01:13 AM
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| quote | | Originally posted by 84Bill:
What's "not Servitude/Slavery you moron!"?
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What we've been talking about! Big companies that hire people and put them through training and schooling in return for a guarentee that the person will work for them for X amount of years to repay the debt. I swear, you are totally clueless!
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84Bill
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JUL 20, 08:59 AM
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| quote | | Originally posted by Fastback 86:
What we've been talking about! Big companies that hire people and put them through training and schooling in return for a guarentee that the person will work for them for X amount of years to repay the debt.
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I don't know why I'm bothering to explain all this because you are either to dense or stupid to listen. What you FAIL to understand is the the Constitution of the United States of America is a set of PROTECTIONS that the government CAN NOT alter, change, abrige without an act of congress. Take my student loan for example. It has defaulted and the government CAN NOT make me pay it back, they can not put me in jail, they can not sieze my person OR property as a payment (1st since I have none 2nd I never will) NOR can they legally COLLECT the few thousand or so bucks added as interest. They CAN sieze my TAX RETURN but since I don't make any money (which is the whole damn problem to begin with) they will NOT get my tax return. They can not attach my wages because I either have NONE or I am below poverty level. So you see my legal "BINDING" contract to repay is BULLCRAP!! I am not a slave to the government and they CAN DO NOTHING because if they did try to make me pay it would VIOLATE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. So you see the government IS NOT as stupid as you are when it comes to "indenturement". Have you ever heared of bankruptcy?
I can sign a contract to borrow 10,000 bucks and swear to REPAY the bank and then GO BANKRUPT the next day and there is not a DAMN THING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT!!! It's a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT that can not be abridged by the government. They can attach all kinds of fancy laws BUT it would be a violation and the law makers would be subject to riotous revolt in the streets AND there IS NO WAY THE LAW CAN BE ENFORCED.
So Slowback 86... YOU GOT OWNED!!
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fierobear
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JUL 20, 03:37 PM
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| quote | MrBill sez:
So Slowback 86... YOU GOT OWNED!! |
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Good gawd, this is out of control.
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Steve Normington
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JUL 20, 04:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
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"I don't know why I'm bothering to explain all this because you are either to dense or stupid to listen." Nice ad hominem there. "What you FAIL to understand is the the Constitution of the United States of America is a set of PROTECTIONS that the government CAN NOT alter, change, abrige without an act of congress." Actually, it takes an act of Congress and a vote of the states. I hope you were just using "without an act of congress" as a figure of speech. But it is still funny. "Take my student loan for example. It has defaulted and the government CAN NOT make me pay it back, they can not put me in jail, they can not sieze my person OR property as a payment (1st since I have none 2nd I never will) NOR can they legally COLLECT the few thousand or so bucks added as interest." "They CAN sieze my TAX RETURN but since I don't make any money (which is the whole damn problem to begin with) they will NOT get my tax return. They can not attach my wages because I either have NONE or I am below poverty level." "So you see my legal "BINDING" contract to repay is BULLCRAP!! I am not a slave to the government and they CAN DO NOTHING because if they did try to make me pay it would VIOLATE MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS." "So you see the government IS NOT as stupid as you are when it comes to "indenturement"." Actually, I think it is because putting someone is prison because they won't pay is useless. If they are in prison, they won't have a job and therefore won't have money. "Have you ever heared of bankruptcy?
I can sign a contract to borrow 10,000 bucks and swear to REPAY the bank and then GO BANKRUPT the next day and there is not a DAMN THING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!" If bankruptcy is covered in the Constitution, where is it? Also, why are there slews of bankruptcy laws? I don't recall the government having to pass lots of laws saying that we can peacibly assembly. "It's a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT that can not be abridged by the government. They can attach all kinds of fancy laws BUT it would be a violation and the law makers would be subject to riotous revolt in the streets AND there IS NO WAY THE LAW CAN BE ENFORCED." Actually, if there was a law making it a crime to default on a loan, the government could make you pay it off by forcing you to work.
| quote | 13th Amendment
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.14th Amendment
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. |
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So slavery or involuntary servitude is perfectly Constitutional if it is punishment for a crime. So if you were to break a law by defaulting on a loan, the government could force you to work as punishment for that crime.* *In reality, the passage of such a law at this time would most likely not apply to you as it would be an ex post facto law. "So Slowback 86... YOU GOT OWNED!!" Always part of a proper debate.
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84Bill
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JUL 20, 06:23 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by Steve Normington: Nice ad hominem there. "So Slowback 86... YOU GOT OWNED!!" Always part of a proper debate. |
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Thanks Steve, it's been ad hominem for about 2 months.
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84Bill
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JUL 20, 06:25 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by fierobear:
Good gawd, this is out of control.
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A slave is as a slave does.
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84Bill
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JUL 20, 06:59 PM
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"Actually, it takes an act of Congress and a vote of the states. I hope you were just using "without an act of congress" as a figure of speech. But it is still funny." Well sometimes humor can get the better of me, atleast you can understand that. "Actually, I think it is because putting someone is prison because they won't pay is useless. If they are in prison, they won't have a job and therefore won't have money." Just as useless as it is to try a poor man who does not want to be indentured.
"If bankruptcy is covered in the Constitution, where is it? Also, why are there slews of bankruptcy laws? I don't recall the government having to pass lots of laws saying that we can peacibly assembly."
bankruptcy is a protection from financial SERVITUDE and is covered by no less than the following.
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Amendment ICongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense Amendment VII In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people Amendment XIII
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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Pretty much spells out that the american citizen can not be HELD for any reason other than a capitol crime. 
" Actually, if there was a law making it a crime to default on a loan, the government could make you pay it off by forcing you to work."
| quote | 13th Amendment
1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.14th Amendment
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. |
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"So slavery or involuntary servitude is perfectly Constitutional if it is punishment for a crime. So if you were to break a law by defaulting on a loan, the government could force you to work as punishment for that crime.*"
"*In reality, the passage of such a law at this time would most likely not apply to you as it would be an ex post facto law." Laws that are both un-Constitutional and nothing more than an attempt to "water down" the RIGHTS of the people to control the government. HOWEVER, You are correct to a very small degree, there is this little thing called "due process" that incidentally is where ALL the problems of governemnt stem from. Armed with a bunch of nonsense, corrupt LAWS, lawyers and judges the US government feels it has cart blanch rule over the citizens. Dare I say how Un-Constitutional that ideal is? [This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 07-20-2004).]
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