Landscaper Under Fire for Refusing to Work for Gays (Page 30/65)
Patrick NOV 13, 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by Taijiguy:

The only people harmed in this story is the company that exercised their free choice to not expose themselves or their employees to people living a lifestyle they disagree with.




Their employees have never picked up a magazine, never watched TV, never seen a movie? What type of person in our society has never been “exposed” to “people living a lifestyle they disagree with”? Is there something special about people in the landscaping business I should know about?


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Originally posted by Taijiguy:

Was that harmful to the gay couple? Maybe their ego was bruised, but so what?




Yeah, so what?

Perhaps if you spent your whole life being criticized and persecuted for something you had no control over which wasn’t illegal and caused no harm to anyone, then you’d have a different perspective.


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Originally posted by Taijiguy:

If they're as proud and tolerant as they expect other people to be, why couldn't they just say, "hey, that's cool. There are other companies that'll do the job. No problem."




If you had your face rubbed in it for the umpteenth time, you might be getting a little pissed-off as well.


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Originally posted by Taijiguy:

Can you or anyone honestly look at the situation and not see just how childish this gay couple behaved?




Yes.

It was the landscape company in my opinion that acted like immature morons.

I have a least one openly gay client. I’ve been to his house many times for private computer consultations. I could tell the first time I was there that he was a little nervous of how I might perceive his lifestyle. Some of the generalizations turned out to be true. Yes, he had beautiful artwork throughout his apartment. However, he acted in a very respectful manner (as did I) and I was never made to feel uncomfortable. His money is as good as anyone else’s. And no, despite what some of you would wish to believe, he doesn’t earn his income doing blow jobs. He owns a transmission shop!


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Originally posted by Taijiguy:

Respect is not something you can demand of anyone, it has to be earned.




And that’s the problem Taiji, no matter how hard some gay people may try, they’ll never be able to earn the respect of many “straight” people.
84Bill NOV 13, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:
And often does when he quotes Jefferson...of whom he knows nothing.



Oh and I suppose you do?
84Bill NOV 13, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by jstricker:
in reference to the violation of private business

John Stricker



There is no such thing as a "private" business. That was undermined a long time ago by the government. It's just called private because it sounds all nice, safe and cozy like.
Falcon4 NOV 13, 07:30 PM
When can we get with the ?

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Scott-Wa NOV 13, 07:30 PM
It is interesting that the Christian's who believe in discriminating against homosexuals feel completely justified in doing so and in stating that they are doing so.

Why is it then NOT acceptable for the homosexuals to respond back with emails, letters and a boycott against those they believe are living a lifestyle that won't just accept them as other humans. They aren't asking you to sleep with them, they aren't asking to rape your children no matter what some idiots here think, they aren't looking to convert anyone. Story is a gay COUPLE, ie, people that have committed to each other in some manner... having someone tell them they won't do business with them because they don't like something about them... hey, so they couple tells their friend not to do business with them because they don't like that... tit for tat. Get it? This is America, they didn't take the business to court for discrimination, they outted them for their choice to be bigotted against gays.

Is the couple any more responsible for the actions of people on the internet than the business is for those here calling gays pedophiles and other rude things?

I say NO... the business owners wanted to put their beliefs out there and so did the gay couple.

Both have the right to state their feelings, the right of the business to discriminate is far more questionable than the right of the individuals not happy with the business to complain, boycott etc.

It would be so nice if homophobes had a clue, and I'm not pigeonholing John with that label, but a few others here have their pictures in the dictionary next to the word.
Boondawg NOV 13, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by jstricker:

Again, if he'd have been less than honest.


We will never know if he was being honest it's OWN sake, or something else. I don't know how he lives his life or how many commandments he may or may not break. The fact is, I'm pretty sure he does NOT walk down the street telling EVERYONE how he disaproves of them, the way they act, the way they look, and the way that they live thier lives.
I believe NO ONE is 100% honest at ALL times.
We ALL keep SOME things about how we feel to ourselves.
Weither it's about our boss, or our wife's weight.
We do it to either be accepted, liked, to protect others feelings, or to not be discriminated againest.


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Originally posted by jstricker:
Nice choice there when we have to set aside our principles to stay out of trouble. Not acceptable and also not according to the Bible.


The bible used to condone ALOT of things that are deemed WRONG today.


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Originally posted by jstricker:
BTW, you're also assuming the gay couple didn't set out this little sting operation



That matters not.
They proved it still exsisted.
Maybe they were testing the system.
The duty of every freedom-loving American.
That's how injustes are righted.
That's how Rosa Parks did it.

[This message has been edited by Boondawg (edited 11-13-2006).]

jstricker NOV 13, 07:34 PM
Now I'm really nervous. That's the problem with you Bill, you have nothing, therefore you have nothing to lose. I do have a lot to lose but won't back away regardless. It's easy to have conviction when there are no consequences.

John Stricker

PS: How do you know I sell my wheat PUBLICLY? Isn't it quite possible I sell it to ANOTHER PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL? (In fact, I sell a LOT Of grain to private parties)

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

I have absolutly NOTHING to loose by fighting this issue with you John.
Your PUBLIC business is at stake and I'll be seeing what I can do about bringing attention to it. I'm sure you sell your wheat and I'm sure there is a gay business man who will offer to buy it. Go ahead and refuse to sell.




isthiswhereiputausername? NOV 13, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by jstricker:

Now I'm really nervous. That's the problem with you Bill, you have nothing, therefore you have nothing to lose. I do have a lot to lose but won't back away regardless. It's easy to have conviction when there are no consequences.

John Stricker

PS: How do you know I sell my wheat PUBLICLY? Isn't it quite possible I sell it to ANOTHER PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL? (In fact, I sell a LOT Of grain to private parties)




You better hope that they have a"token gay guy" at the meals they serve your wheat at so they dont get billy after you....

This thread is becoming pathetic..

I am a christian, I am proud of it.. I dont approve of homos, the removal of prayer from schools and think the government bending everything the US was built on decades ago to suit all these freaks is what is causing this world to go downhill so quick.
Boondawg NOV 13, 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by jstricker:

That's the problem with you Bill, you have nothing, therefore you have nothing to lose.



I alway concidered "having nothing, so having nothing to lose" a STRENGTH in MY life!

'What value a thing that can be taken from you?"

I think something like that is in the bible, somewhere.
Scott-Wa NOV 13, 07:42 PM
Do they also refuse to work for people that are straight, living together and aren't married?
Do they also refuse to work for people that are divorced?
Do they also refuse to work for people that aren't Christian?
Do they also refuse to work for people that aren't married and are not virgins?

Who is more in your face? Unmarried heterosexuals in public/on tv/ in magazines having sexual relationships flaunted about... or gay peoples private lives? What about Hugh Hefner and all his girlfriends.... got their own tv show that covers their sexual escapades minus the actual sex. Are they working to outlaw that?

Since they are actively working to outlaw gay marriage... are they also actively seeking to outlaw heterosexual divorce?
Are they actively seeking to outlaw sex outside of marriage?

Legislating morality doesn't make people more morale. Just makes us more like the Taliban.