Romney's Insensitivity to LGBT People (Page 3/15) olejoedad SEP 12, 10:50 AM The Bibe is rather insensitive to the LGBT community as well.......... Things like "abomination before God", "Seek out and kill the sodomites"........... The fact that we tolerate their very existance speaks volumes as to the strength our views toward personal freedom. So now they want to be "special"? Seems to me that God has a 'special' place for them eventually...... fierobear SEP 12, 11:11 AM quote Originally posted by tutnkmn: Neither candidate is worth voting for IMHO. There is no lesser of two evils, they are equally evil in different ways. That's nothing more than a cop-out. WhiteDevil88 SEP 12, 11:15 AM I take great comfort in the fact that the generation making the rules now are going to die soon, and the next generation will see how pointless denying homosexuals the right to marry is. Sure, one or two old bigots will last into Strom Thurmond style anachronisms, but society will progress despite the best effort of reactionaries. jaskispyder SEP 12, 11:16 AM The bible says a lot... "So when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." So, what I understand is that there is only one god and our government must follow that god's word? Hmm, I think I heard this somewhere.... hmm, yeah.... somewhere in the middle east. tutnkmn SEP 12, 11:16 AM quote Originally posted by fierobear: That's nothing more than a cop-out. Cop out? Vote for a religious fanatic involved in a cult or a communist? Cop out? jaskispyder SEP 12, 11:19 AM You know, that is the beauty of the United States. If you don't like who is running, you don't have to vote for him/her. A non-vote is also valid. Why should we be forced to vote for someone? If we don't agree with either candidate, then we don't vote. Of course, we could force people to vote... but I think that has been done and the results don't work so well. WhiteDevil88 SEP 12, 11:21 AM quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: The bible says a lot... "So when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." So, what I understand is that there is only one god and our government must follow that god's word? Hmm, I think I heard this somewhere.... hmm, yeah.... somewhere in the middle east. Like Jesus said about homosexuals "..." I hope all of the people pounding out Leviticus stays away from shellfish, cheeseburgers, pork, and cotton-poly blend slacks. All of these are abomination before the lord. olejoedad SEP 12, 11:22 AM quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: The bible says a lot... "So when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." So, what I understand is that there is only one god and our government must follow that god's word? Hmm, I think I heard this somewhere.... hmm, yeah.... somewhere in the middle east. The context in your quote deals with the stoning of a harlot (prostitute), not LGBT. Our country was founded on Christian principles, but nowhere does it say that we must follow God's word to the letter. One of our founding principles is the freedom to worship whatever God you choose, unlike those middle eastern countries you mention. fierobear SEP 12, 11:27 AM quote Originally posted by tutnkmn: Cop out? Vote for a religious fanatic involved in a cult or a communist? Cop out? Yes. First, how do you define "fanatic"? Second, SOMEONE will be elected. Obama is a milquetoast and a socialist. This country will literally NOT survive the stuff he's pushing (or failing to push). With Romney and Ryan, we have a *chance* to save the country from collapse under deficits, debt and unfunded liabilities. Obama and the Democrats have done NOTHING on those things. A choice has to be made. If you choose not to choose, that is a choice. You're voting for the status quo. Gay marriage won't do you a damn bit of good if the country collapses under its debt. WhiteDevil88 SEP 12, 11:27 AM quote Originally posted by olejoedad: The context in your quote deals with the stoning of a harlot (prostitute), not LGBT. Our country was founded on Christian principles, but nowhere does it say that we must follow God's word to the letter. One of our founding principles is the freedom to worship whatever God you choose, unlike those middle eastern countries you mention. Pretty convenient that you can pick and choose for God what sins you feel are worth avoiding. "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." -- Leviticus 26:29 Leviticus for Skeptics http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/intro.html I wouldn't read Leviticus if I were you. No one else does. Instead, I'll summarize it for you: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Here are the gory details: "All the fat is the Lord's." 3:16 Moses puts blood on Aaron's right ear, thumb, and big toe. 8:23-24 God's 13th Killing: God kills Aaron's sons for offering "strange fire before the Lord." 10:1-2 Hares are unclean since they chew the cud. 11:6 Bats are just unclean birds. 11:13,19 Four-legged birds are an abomination to God. 11:20 Insects have four legs. 11:21, 23 Baby girls are twice as dirty as baby boys. 12:1-8 God's cure for leprosy. 14:2-32 What to do if "he that hath the issue spit upon him that is clean." 15:8 What to do "if any man's seed of copulation go out from him." 15:16-18 Menstruating women are unclean to God. 15:19-30 God's law for wet dreams. 15:16-17, 32 Don't look at any naked menstruating women. 18:19 Homosexuality is an abomination to God. 18:22 Don't mix seeds when sowing a field or wear a garment with mixed fibers. 19:19 If you have sex with a slave woman, you must then scourge her. 19:20 Don't round the corners of your head or mar the corners of your beard. 19:27 Children who curse their parents, adulterers, and homosexuals must be killed. 20:9-12 Woman with "familiar spirits" must be stoned to death. 20:27 The unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death. 21:9 Handicapped people must not approach the altar. 21:16-23 God's 14th Killing: A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23 God's instructions for buying slaves. 25:45-46 "Ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it." 26:16 God will "send wild beasts among you, which shall rob your of your children." 26:22 "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." 26:29 God places a dollar value on human life; women are worth less (50 - 60%) than men. 27:3-7