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KEV
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OCT 28, 11:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by KurtAKX:
Fellas,
I won't be 3800 swapping my car, but if I had to (generally speaking), I'd go with the mounts made by the guy who does the least namecalling.
Is there a way to defuse this before it goes to the trashcan?
Like for example,
PR make a list (factually) of concerns in list form. X do the same. Comments like "ur a idiot who's gonna go bankrupt" or "ur mounts suck so much" are not factual.
It sounds like:
PR sez
1) Your mounts aren't drilled, so they're not anymore a direct fit than those which require cradle ovalizing
2) Your mounts aren't any different from mine design-wise
etc.
X sez
1) Your mounts have dimensional tolerance issues
2) Some examples of your mounts have contained weld inclusions.
etc.
These could be off, but the point is to make your points like gentlemen and rebut them without mentioning panties or pussies (unless in the "Girls with Fieros" thread)
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I couldn't say it better myself.. 
Can we all just get along...???
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AADrcw
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OCT 28, 11:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by KurtAKX:
Fellas,
I won't be 3800 swapping my car, but if I had to (generally speaking), I'd go with the mounts made by the guy who does the least namecalling.
Is there a way to defuse this before it goes to the trashcan?
Like for example,
PR make a list (factually) of concerns in list form. X do the same. Comments like "ur a idiot who's gonna go bankrupt" or "ur mounts suck so much" are not factual.
It sounds like:
PR sez
1) Your mounts aren't drilled, so they're not anymore a direct fit than those which require cradle ovalizing
2) Your mounts aren't any different from mine design-wise
etc.
X sez
1) Your mounts have dimensional tolerance issues
2) Some examples of your mounts have contained weld inclusions.
etc.
These could be off, but the point is to make your points like gentlemen and rebut them without mentioning panties or pussies (unless in the "Girls with Fieros" thread)
Just a thought. |
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Agreed, You both state you are both very "legit" and "by the book" business men, so please act like them. You are both giving to the fiero community and are both providing a product. instead of taking it as disrespect or anything negative, take it like men and continue to up your products instead of bickering like old women.
Let the people who BUY your products choose who makes the best (in their opinion of course) and as i said above, continue to improve it, not argue about what you have currently.
thats my two cents, just trying to help.------------------
-American Automotive Design-
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fieroX
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OCT 28, 11:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by KurtAKX:
Fellas,
I won't be 3800 swapping my car, but if I had to (generally speaking), I'd go with the mounts made by the guy who does the least namecalling.
Is there a way to defuse this before it goes to the trashcan?
Like for example,
PR make a list (factually) of concerns in list form. X do the same. Comments like "ur a idiot who's gonna go bankrupt" or "ur mounts suck so much" are not factual.
It sounds like:
PR sez
1) Your mounts aren't drilled, so they're not anymore a direct fit than those which require cradle ovalizing
2) Your mounts aren't any different from mine design-wise
etc.
X sez
1) Your mounts have dimensional tolerance issues
2) Some examples of your mounts have contained weld inclusions.
etc.
These could be off, but the point is to make your points like gentlemen and rebut them without mentioning panties or pussies (unless in the "Girls with Fieros" thread)
Just a thought. |
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Sounds good
My concerns about PR's mounts are as follows:
1. takes awhile to get, I first contacted him saying i was going to need a couple sets, on 7-29, received them on 9-18.
2. too expensive
3. customer service is lacking, whenever i would message him it would take 2-3 days to get a response
4. they take a frustrating modification to make fit (on 88's).
not really concerned with the welds, they look pretty good and probably wont be broken by a 3800[This message has been edited by fieroX (edited 10-28-2008).]
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DIY_Stu
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OCT 29, 12:26 AM
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Can't wait. May have to send my GT to you guys once I get my coupe going. I've always trusted what X has said. He's the NO B.S. type. Who's not afraid to tell you if you're misinformed or not.
| quote | | This is also the same dufass that changes headgaskets in a hotel parking lot. |
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His choices were the Swimming Pool, Local Sterile Emergency Room, or the Parking lot. There were too many others swimming in the pool and there was a quadruple bypass going on in the E.R. so the Parking lot had to do for the moment. From the photos and the stories sounded like everyone had a great time. I know I couldn't do all that in one night and race the next day. Shows determination that's something I like in a shop and supplier.[This message has been edited by DIY_Stu (edited 10-29-2008).]
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Monkeyman
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OCT 29, 12:45 AM
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In before the trash can. Better than the afternoon soaps. 
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buddycraigg
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OCT 29, 01:08 AM
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my 2 cents
I'm a Archie guy, i had to "longate" the 2 slots on the K member to get things to line up.
But things need a little twiking all the time.
Ryan,
I use to be a cheerleader for you, rooting for the poor, young, nobody from the midwest.
I've met you a few times, and actually offered to help when you blew your head gaskets.
but when you did your stunt about your car catching fire.
i realized that you have issues you need to work out.
PR,
I've met you 4 or 5 times in person.
This personal attack is out of the norm for you.
what were you thinking?
I believe in both of your abilities.
The question as a possible customer is, "Who do i want to deal with?"
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FieroGTRwideboby
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OCT 29, 01:24 AM
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I cant believe this crap.....this forum has become something "special" I am amazed that 30 something year old men argue like 16 year old boys. Why don't start handling problem like real grown-ups and keep the topic sections clean of wasted space. If you have a problem, send a PM I don't come on here to read about your problems. I am more than sure 9/10 of the forum members share my opinion.
I have a pair of the PR mounts and have no issues at all....whats to say someone else can't make another set. PR you have enough of a customer base not to worry. X do as you do and lets all start being a little mature around here.
Cliff please take care of this....its discouraging to see the forum turn into this.
-Alex
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ckfiero
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OCT 29, 01:29 AM
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I kind of don't know what the issue is, or the background behind the way the thread opened.
The thing that confuses me is, well.... a mount is a mount is a mount. There isn't that much variation that can be designed into 2 pieces which serve a similar application. Probably why the shock on my 83 Buick Regal looks a heck of a lot like the one on my 79 silverado. Of course the difference gets even less if I compare a monroe shock to a napa shock.
Same application will equal similar design, there's no way around it. The only change I see is now there will be a little competition for market share.
No offense to purple reign, but, if you make a superior product, and provide superior service, at a fair market price for what people get, then well, nothing to worry about. Let the new product hit the market, and let the buyer beware. If they buy something cheaper and it doesn't work, their loss. You aren't under an obligation to protect the world from making mistakes any more than I am. Now a potential buyer of the competing product, they can post pics of a catastrophic failure if they choose in an effort to "warn" the community of what happened to them, that's about it though.
As far as *I'm* concerned, personally, I'd be interested to see how the new product holds up. Some of the brackets appear to be larger with more material around them, but, require different holes to be drilled before fitting. None of this takes into account the quality of the steel stock used to make the pieces.
As someone who has owned only 88s to this point, I like the idea of the new brackets better all things being equal. I have not done a 3800 swap, nor have I gotten my hands dirty digging out the specifics. I have contemplated eventually doing one though. HOWEVER - I do know the cradle steel thickness is far less than the material on the bracket. heck, I had a duke coupe tear the motor mount part of the cradle once when the hydraulic mount failed and needed to weld everything up - so I know how that metal is...
If I had a choice between a hole ------- this big
and again one this big after ------------- on that cradle I'd choose the first one every time. its less likely to distort and misshape the metal, and no that wasn't to demonstrate scale or anything.
Just my two cents, but, if anyone is worried or concerned about doing any fab work or customizing of parts to fit, swapping a powertrain never designed to fit into an application probably isnt for them to begin with anyways. ( And I'm sure its worth far less than the two cents as advertised.....)
Good luck guys - perhaps offer out a limited number of sets of these mounts "at cost" say 5-10 sets to people who would give imput as to performance, getting some feedback in the market place wouldnt be a horrible idea? Just to spur on a few guinea pigs for your case who are beyond any ideas of being biased....
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topcat
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OCT 29, 04:14 AM
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I read the original thread that X wrote a while back. I formed an opinion at that point that was not all that great about doing business with him. He comes off a little too cocky for me. After seeing that PR seemingly didn't bother commenting on X's attack, he seemed the more mature business person. He must have just read it for the first time
X might have mad skills at making fast cars, and if really motivated can make his business succeed... however business could be a heck of a lot better if the attitude was a litte different. I am sure there are others that might feel similar, and when you are looking at starting a busniess that caters to a small community, care should be given to what your percieved image is like.
BTW, I have a set of PR mounts, and am quite pleased with them. I have the entrie set for a manual car and his modified dogbone.[This message has been edited by topcat (edited 10-29-2008).]
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Cliff Pennock
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OCT 29, 04:28 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by FieroGTRwideboby:
Cliff please take care of this....its discouraging to see the forum turn into this. |
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Well, it could've become a legit discussion about the advantages/disadvantages of both mounts but if you replace "mount" with "dick" and "advantage" with "size", then you get the gist of what this thread is really about. So yeah, I concur this does not belong here, but here.
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