Archie's chop's/Mikes windows results. (Page 3/31)
F355spider OCT 06, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Archie:

Now, I think I have the right to write a conclusion here.

Many months ago F355spider announced that he was selling glass windows that would fit a 3" chop top "to a Natt's A$$" (He mis-spelled Gnat not me). Read the thread for yourself & you'll see what really happened http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/054790.html Now he claims that all those Texas boys use terms link "Natt's A$$" when they don't really mean that the item is THAT CLOSE to perfect. Too bad he didn't explain that to his window customers' 5 months ago.

I warned my customers that those windows were not going to fit anywhere close to as good as Mike had advertised in our 3" chops.

After that Mike & Stuart Lowery claimed that I was lying to my customers and that I was trying to use scare tactics to keep Mike from selling his windows. Mike has spent most of the last years calling me names & mis-quoting other things I said. At my count he has called me a liar more than 20 times this year alone. And in reality he has been the one lying every one of those times. Whenever he hasn't got an answer Stuart then steps up (like he's doing now) & continues the harassment until Mike can figure out some new names to call me. Resently Mike has claimed that I had promised to provide free glass windows to my customers. I never said that & he can't find a quote from me to prove that i did say that. But yet, he's been calling me a liar because the free windows haven't been passed out yet.

I would submit that Mike has been the liar all along & that he's so obsessed with trying to hurt my reputation that he would say anything or hurl any insult or tell any lie, to meet his goal.

I would suggest asking Mike for proof anytime he tries to make a statement of fact from here on out.

I also think it's time for him to go harass someone else for a change.

Mike, you're a hack & a liar. Get a life.

Archie

edit Gnat Thanks, now It's perfect




This is my last post here. But I do want to say this I have never lied about the windows I have as Joshua said showed every detail to the best of my abilities and never guarantied them to be a direct bolt in and always express the work to get them to fit,

Archie said they would not fit but they do with the adjustments needed they do work so him saying they would not fit is not correct. Archie is very good at twisting the truth and picking out things to turn the tables he does tell lies and a lot more people than I know that.

When I first told people here I did not like the guy because of his misleading People. I was told that is political suicide here but I do not care because I wanted to help others.

The thing Archie hates about me is I did do that and for that I am happy. Even though I did not have a Fiero I still did what I could to come on here when I could and see if anyone needs my help. Archie can say or twist it the way he wants to but I see these windows do work and that is what I thought. They were a good choice for people to build their own car and as you can see in the new chop they can fit a chop without adjustment to the door.
So you claim I tried to mislead people that is not true if the people that bought them would speak up they would tell you I never said they were a perfect fit so you are the one making something out of that and it is not true that you twist things around to make it look that way. Let us not forget I made these for my car and out of my kindness shared them to others some will argue I had to get 15 sets to get mine but the original set was paid for out of the tooling and I got spare sets out of the 15 so yes I wanted a spare set but I did not have to go through all the trouble to help others I did this out of the kindness of my heart and this is what I got for it.
Next you claim I called you names yes I did at first because you worked your magic and made me angry and I got caught up in your tactics then after words I apologized and have never called you names on here after that but you and your people continue to call me names this post proves it. When I say something and realize it was not right I apologize because I am a man and can admit when I am wrong you have never done this I can do as you and go through this forum and pick out all the times you got busted telling lies and call you on it you will see you went to something else and never once said oppss sorry I made a mistake or I was wrong to say that to me this tells everyone who the better person is.
As far as you saying you would have glass windows made and give them to your chop top owners you know it was wrote but what you also know is that several post in my thread have been removed and even the post I made when I was asked who does chops I told him you are the only one that does it professionally but you use plastic widows;
Yes the post that started all this and all I did was tell the truth then you attacked me for it. It is all gone it has been deleted so you ask this because you know it has been deleted. Will anyone else that read it remember it who knows but it does not matter because the proof is gone.
Every one knows I did what I could to help others that wanted it and that you hate this and there fore you have done what you could to stop it most have told me they could not believe I stuck around as long as I did most would not put up with it.
I am not perfect and I have made mistakes and I have even tried to apologize to people that I believe I have offended just so I could leave here with no hard feelings. That shows my character on the other hand you continue to lie to people and still have not admitted you have lied about me or apologized for any of it and this shows everyone your character so no explanation needed there.
So here it is, I take it, this is your explanation for your lie told about me selling the car before it was finished because I did not want to finish it. I hate we had to go through all of this crap to get the truth out but I could not sit back and let you lie about me again.


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Originally posted by Archie:

AS for what instructions Chris used, he'll have to tell you which ones he used. He couldn't tell me who's instructions he used when he was here. There are at least 2 other people who've posted pics of chops they were doing. But after looking at what he had done & comparing that to the cutting you did on your car http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/066331.html they do appear very similar. If the shoe fits, wear it.
Archie



So in conclusion the windows can be made to fit and in my opinion is the best way to go and I would never have done it any different. Joshua has proof they worked in his car there is a chop being built now that has them in it with no modification to the track at all. I caught you lying and finally got you in your round about way to admit it.
You can continue to bash me and call me names and that will show who you are because I will not be here to defend myself or you can be a man and apologize admit you were wrong and let it all be in the past and get on with life. The choice is yours.
If any one ever needs my help most know how to contact me others can reach me through Joshua or Will.
Today is the end of it for me best wishes and God bless you all.
Michael
MstangsBware OCT 06, 01:19 PM
I never had a chop top and never will being all it does is ruin a perfectly good car. But I have saw both versions of chops with the glass and with the platic windows. And hands down, I would go with the glass windows if there was ever a chop for me. The chop might have to be custom fit to the windows but that beats having platic windows. The one chop I have seen from Archie, the windows dont fit right and have to be held out to roll the window up. Also when shutting the door, the window has to be held outward a bit. These are just a few things I really didnt like about the chop with plastic windows. My big quetion is, Cant Archie have glass windows made like Mike did and start chopping his cars to fit the windows? This would give the customer glass windows and the fitment of the windows would be alot better. This is just my opinion and an observation.
madcurl OCT 06, 02:34 PM
First off, we're talking about "apples vs. oranges" here. Just the idea of thinking that ALL CHOPTOP MADE AND PRODUCED ARE CREATED EQUAL IS ILLOGICAL and is a pipe dream at best.

From a "business" standpoint the idea is flawed iiregardless if producing the custom glass for humanitary reasons in helping the few 24 Archie choptop owner or homebrew. Why? Because, the only "choptops" that are under controlled conditions are the 24 choptops that are produced by Archie. It's a "day-in, day-out operation. That is just one of the reason's why Archie's choptops was never offered as a "kit."

As for all homebrews, can we honestly say that all "THE HOMEBREWS ARE CHOPPED, CUT, & WELDED the same? The answer is clearly-----no. Why? Too many variables with no "strict standards of operation." So "why" would anyone think that the windows would fit is beyond me? The "best" route would be to make a templete from one the 24 Archie's choptops vs. a homebrew for reasons already noted.

As for buying custom glass to which I have to spend my hard earned money, "They'd better fit to a gnat's behind or I'd pass on them." The same can be said of any item being procuced. VDC are a good example of this deciption or ambigouse wording to which they "SAY" THIER PRODUCT FITS and you end-up spending hundreds of dollors paying someone to install them or you're own hours in getting them to fit. Besides, choptops are not "most" people's cup of tea. Either you hate them or you love them. If you're going to produce custom glass, wouldn't make sence to go with the company that cranks them out on a regular basis???
madcurl OCT 06, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by MstangsBware:

I never had a chop top and never will being all it does is ruin a perfectly good car. My big quetion is, Cant Archie have glass windows made like Mike did and start chopping his cars to fit the windows? This would give the customer glass windows and the fitment of the windows would be alot better. This is just my opinion and an observation.



Isn't the price for an Archie chop top w/o glass, too much for [some] people already? I'd think you'd hear an increase in complaints if you'd tack-on another $400-500 bucks? As for me being of Archie’s 24 or so current Archie customers I'd say, "yes" in receiving the side glass. However, if Archie makes custom side glass, I doubt it will change people’s attitudes towards chop tops? They'd just move onto the next complaint of the day. "It's blasphemy to chop-up a perfectly good Fiero, it's too flat----it needs a curved front windshield, I'm too tall...blah, blah, blah."
Will-Martin OCT 06, 04:34 PM
Well I think all of this is getting a bit rediculous personally. This is not directed at any one person so please NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE. I just would like to state for the record why I got my car chopped by Archie and then bought Mike's windows.

First off, chopping a Fiero is not "ruining" it. That may be someones opinion, but to me slapping look fast parts on a car that actually goes slow is silly, and that is just my OPINION. I love the way a chopped Fiero looks. To me, if you take a stock Fiero, put nice wheels & tires on it, lower it, and chop it, it looks better than 90% of the crap being sold in the US market today.

Second, I tried to chop a Fiero myself and it was a LOT harder than it looks, which is why I turned right around and paid Archie to chop my Formula which he and his crew did perfectly. It was worth every damn dime I paid, and I really don't see how they make money doing this type of thing so I was happy to pay it. The lexan windows are fine IMO, and they are no more cheap looking than the plastic sail panels or the fastback window glass 1/2" away so aesthetics are not that much of an issue. Functionality is fine, the lexan (or polycarb) windows keep the rain, dust, etc out and you can see through them. I do have to manuever the windows a little when I shut the doors, and when I roll them up, but they will eventually conform to the shape they are in I have been told by several choptop owners. There are small scratches that do show up if you are looking at them in the sunshine, but those will polish out once the car is done getting body/paint/interior finished.

Third, I bought a set of Mike's windows because I saw them in his car and they looked nice. Also in Texas, without tinted windows the inside of your car gets super hot and there is added glare with non-tinted windows. NEW replacement windows for a Fiero are like $80-$100 bucks each so what Mike was charging for his windows was not that much more than a stock Fiero side glass. I was happy to pay this AND I saw the modifications Mike had to do to his car which were not as drastic as some may make it sound. Yes you have to modify the door, but considering you just hacked up the whole damn roof of the car up to chop the top it in the first place, it is not that big of a deal.

Lastly, my car is still getting some engine work done in Dallas so I have not got to put my windows in yet. As soon as I do, I will post the results here, and I will be unbiased in doing so, just as Archie and Josh were in their report. I really do wish everyone could get along and realize how trivial this issue really is. You hardly ever see hot rodders going at it about chopping old Fords up or stupid crap like this. We should all be encouraging each other for working on, modifying, saving, restoring, or doing whatever to these cars. I would like to think we are all here because we like Fieros. Also we should all remember that it is not so much about the car as it is getting together and sharing our enthusiasm and passion for the Fiero. This, after all, is why Cliff put the boards up in the first place.

-Will

[This message has been edited by Will-Martin (edited 10-07-2006).]

jscott1 OCT 06, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by Will-Martin:

I tried to chop a Fiero myself and it was a LOT harder than it looks, which is why I turned right around and paid Archie to chop my Formula which he and his crew did perfectly....




Well I bought Will's car that he chopped and it's not an easy thing to do. That car probably won't be finished any earlier than 2009. But when I do finish it Mike's windows will be in it. If I have to shape the car around the windows, then so be it.

But I didn't want to take Archie's work on #14 and try to re-work it which is why I'm not going to mess with the "plastic" windows in that car.

As for having to hold out the windows when they go up? I have to do that in my T-top. Any car with frameless windows are subject to all sorts of fit issues.

Now if only I had a windshield for my homebrewed chop top. I'm going to try an Orville style windshield, if only I had his mad welding skills.

[This message has been edited by jscott1 (edited 10-06-2006).]

Custom88 OCT 06, 07:53 PM
Holy Cow that curvature is something serious!
Archie OCT 06, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by F355spider:

As far as you saying you would have glass windows made and give them to your chop top owners you know it was wrote but what you also know is that several post in my thread have been removed and even the post I made when I was asked who does chops I told him you are the only one that does it professionally but you use plastic widows;
Yes the post that started all this and all I did was tell the truth then you attacked me for it. It is all gone it has been deleted so you ask this because you know it has been deleted. Will anyone else that read it remember it who knows but it does not matter because the proof is gone.




Wait, now let me get this straight. So now we have a conspiracy between Cliff & I to make you look bad. You're telling us that Cliff, at my direction, deleted some of your posts that made you look like a good guy. And that I edited my post about free windows to make you look bad.

I don't think that anyone here will believe that Cliff would do that at the direction of anybody. It would also be easy for you to track my edits by reading the dates that appear in threads that were edited. Since the 1st I heard about those free windows was when you posted one of your rants in the other thread several days ago. All you'd have to do is look for a post from months ago that I edited resently.

Tell us your theory about the JFK conspiracy.

Archie

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 10-07-2006).]

DL10 OCT 07, 10:21 AM
Come on Archie admit it…. everyone knows you are Cliff, and Stumpy, Shaun, mustangbeware,, custom88 and several others. We know you have the power to change other peoples thought.
madcurl OCT 07, 12:21 PM
What. You meant to tell me that, Archie offered "FREE WINDOWS" to his customers and he didn't inform me??? [j/k]

Just like the ole' chat phrase from the Ohio Players, " Aw girl...please." If Archie every hinted or suggested "free" window in any which way or form, I'd be the free in line.