For those that think imported goods sold in America are a good thing. (Page 3/28)
lurker JUL 22, 03:56 PM
it's been my personal experience from knowing people from china and former east germany that people from behind either the bamboo or iron curtains believe that if they can get away with something, it's OK. if there's no rule against something, no problem. if there's a rule, go around it. if they kill a few thousand consumers, no problem, they'll breed more.

in the quest for cheap products and higher profits for importers and mega-retailers who influence foreign policy, we've invited these folks into our closets, kitchens, bathrooms and workshops. as noted above, many auto parts are chinese. it's difficult if not impossible to get US-made electronics. now theyre working on importing chinese automobiles, which are made with substandard materials, stolen patents and are basically unsafe.

now we have a problem. american workers are out of jobs, locally owned businesses are pushed out, and we get products that poison us, our pets and our livestock. and we're financing one of the more repressive regimes on the planet. but what choice do we have? in the short run, the economics are compelling. in the long run, we're killing ourselves.

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Derek_85GT JUL 22, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:


Wal-Mart is the only store in Pennsylvania that sells toys and toiletries?
You need to get out more.

Try any number of drug stores, Target, K-Mart, Sears ... god, the list is endless.
Now you might not be able to buy a 5 gallon bucket of pickles for a dollar at those other places, but there are plenty of alternatives to Wal-Mart for toys and toiletries.



Well, when I am shopping near Target I will go there, but it is over 20 minutes from my house. The rest have shut down in my area and I cannot patronize them anymore Personally I would rather actually purchase at Wal-Mart over the chain drug stores since they have felt it necessary to put one on every damned corner. Most mom and pop places in my area have already been run out of business, so pickings are getting slim. And just as a side note, if I saw a 5 gallon bucket of pickles at Wal-Mart I would buy it on sheer principle...man I love pickles.

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theogre JUL 22, 05:41 PM
Yes, Blame Walmart... Tow that Union Line. Never mind that Target, Kmart/Sears, and every other Retailer and Grocery on the continent buys from China and the other substandard manufacturers as well. Oh Wait... You can't call it sub standard... They Don't Have Any Standards so how can they be below standards that don't exist? Or did you all miss the major F'up over poison pet food ingredients and toxic toothpaste recently as well? The pet food fiasco included brands never sold anywhere except pet supply stores. The toothpaste has shown up all over North and South America. But so far Not at Walmart that I've heard of.

Every single major manufacturer in U.S. has moved out to Mexico, China and other countries. And it's nothing to do with Walmart. I know at least some people here have been following Delphi. Carrier stopped making nearly all AC products in the U.S. about 20 years ago, where they didn't just stop making products completely. GE and everyone else has been moving out of the U.S. right along with them. Those Dell, HP, Gateway, and other computers sitting in front of you all right now are at best using some U.S. assembly. Most of the parts are made in China, Taiwan, S. Korea and everywhere but the U.S. Even if you built the computer yourself odds are extremely high most of the parts you bought were not U.S. made. It's virtually impossible to find wholly U.S. made electronics.

This started long before Walmart was even a small factor in retail or grocery. You can bet that the same nasty, inferior, products are in your local Dollar General, Kmart, and other stores. They are also in your kids "happy meal" and so on. Go look at the list of toys recalled by the CPSC, which includes BK McD and most other chains children's meal items at one time or another. McD and BK have had multiple recalls.

The only real reason we keep hearing about Walmart is because they have managed to keep the Unions out. Union Retailers and Grocery carry the same import crap as Walmart and have for many years. And they started carrying it long before Walmart was even a small thorn in their profit margins. No other major retailer would have been any nicer about the flip flops above. Just like Microsoft, Apple and Dell don't give a rats ass when something goes wrong with stuff they sell. It has to be a complete disaster to get most companies to do much about a problem any more. Xbox 360 problems are going to cost MS allot more than a couple billion before it's all over. The original Xbox was catching fire and they still didn't properly fix them. (The real problem was a defective power supply inside the unit. Not a power cord. The power cord with fuse was just a cheap mask.)

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84fiero123 JUL 22, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:
I feel like your ignorant trolling comment has bearing on the real world. But I heard they would do it all with unionized worker. How does that make you feel. Now if your done with the BS why would you rather give your money to a Canadian that can just go sit at a job bank and make absurd amounts of money in a union instead of a china man who just moved from the substance farming sector where he was a burden to his family to the city to work in a factory making stuff? Is it race? Geopolitics? Or do you just like keeping other people poor? Are you afraid of the competition? Whats makes the China man so different you would discriminate against him?




At least a Canadian built rotor has some steel made up to American Steel standards. Ever buy a wrench made in china? Half the time the size is wrong the other half the steel is so soft the wrench strips.

If they are going to sell a product here it should at least be of a grade equal to those that they are replacing, parts wise.

And yes Wal Mart does drive out the mom and pop stores. Then they raise the prices after their competition is gone. I have seen it here in Maine at my local store.

They drove out the local suppliers of pet foods that they sell and them once all other suppliers are gone they raise their prices.

You want everything made in other countries, keep supporting them.

Get an education. Ya right that did all those guys at HP a lot of good, now when you call tech support you can’t understand the guy because of his Indian accent.

Every company is trying to send as much as possible overseas. Lets help them by buying their products.(Sarcasm)

20 years, that’s all I give this country, 20 years and we will be a third world nation. You will be working, if you can find a job, for someone like Turdster who is God all mighty, as far as he is concerned anyway.

If you can even find a job.

You that say an education will save us are sadly mistaken, ask the guys who lost their jobs at HP to India.

Global Economy, the war cry of the corporate world so that they can make millions and put every American out of work.

Problem is, if no one in America has a job, no one can afford these Globally made products. Even at their low prices.

Do what you want, do what you feel is right.


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loafer87gt JUL 22, 06:16 PM
It's kind of funny how everyone bashes the quality of Chinese goods, but American automanufacturers like GM actually spend extra time on vehicles bound for China because their market demands a higher quality product. Now if only we could get these same quality Chinese bound GM's over on this side of the pond.

http://www.washingtonpost.c...AR2007071901266.html

Edit: Did some more digging and it turns out these higher quality GM's are actually assembled in their Shanghai China plant, not imported from the US.

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84fiero123 JUL 22, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by loafer87gt:

Edit: Did some more digging and it turns out these higher quality GM's are actually assembled in their Shanghai China plant, not imported from the US.




Of course they are they have to be or they get a higher tariff on them.

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Phranc JUL 22, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:


Of course they are they have to be or they get a higher tariff on them.



Ummmmmmmm..... No. The QUALITY meaning the cars are built better in China then in America (Canada/Mexico).

Its a shame you're such a bitter old man. I'm sure in 20 years when this is a 3rd world country ( yeah right like will ever happen) you will still be crying about everything. Do you have a clue why America is so great? Because you can create your own job. Or if you're like me 15 of them from nothing. All with out your unions. You just sit there and be crotchety while the rest of us move on with out you.
84fiero123 JUL 22, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:


Ummmmmmmm..... No. The QUALITY meaning the cars are built better in China then in America (Canada/Mexico).

Its a shame you're such a bitter old man. I'm sure in 20 years when this is a 3rd world country ( yeah right like will ever happen) you will still be crying about everything. Do you have a clue why America is so great? Because you can create your own job. Or if you're like me 15 of them from nothing. All with out your unions. You just sit there and be crotchety while the rest of us move on with out you.



If I recall, and I may be wrong my memory is shot from the stroke, but didn’t quite a few of those fail?

Good for you, file bankruptcy and move on to the next one.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

Phranc JUL 22, 07:16 PM
You would be wrong. Your memory does fail you.

Why would I file for bankruptcy exactly?
84fiero123 JUL 22, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:

You would be wrong. Your memory does fail you.

Why would I file for bankruptcy exactly?



You said before that some of your companies has failed.

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.
Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.