Beware of Loyde at FastFieros (Page 3/13)
fieromadman DEC 05, 04:47 AM
Ryan,

Sorry to hear about your troubles in dealing with loyde. Hopefully it will be resovled. BTW, darth, you got a PM.

-Jeff

MstangsBware DEC 05, 04:48 AM

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Originally posted by Fiero Finale:

I'm 18 so idk whos older then who lol. I re-read your posts(since you edited them to add things) and I agree with you on the voicing your opinion thing but then thing that made me post my response was the fact you said it was going to be a flame war is why I said that man. Not hate here, just open discussion like you said(and no I didn't give you that rating if your wondering).


You got me on the age thing, I am a little older. Never any hate here just open friendly disscusion.

MstangsBware DEC 05, 04:52 AM

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Originally posted by slickrick2000:

It seems to me the attacks are warming up here


Now I am not against anyone speaking their mind, especially on subjects like this. But it seems to me that when you post things like the quotes above, your just asking for a flame war.

Not telling you how to post, but if it were me posting in your place, I would have said something like:

I have had dealings in the past with Loyde, and everything went great. Not sure what happened in this case.


Now that doesn't attack anyone, piss anyone off , and gets my point across without lowering myself to levels that we don't like to go to.


Everyone percives things differant and there is no way around that one a Forum. The way you read and take something may be totally oppisite of how another on takes it. That is because everyone has differant personalities, so there really is no real way to please everyone by what you post. You just have to post your opinoin and go with it, no reason to get riled up about it.


EDIT---Have recived a total of 3 ratings since I started posting in this thread...........WOW

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pumpkincarriage DEC 05, 04:54 AM
I'm not really going into this but I'd be very hesitant, even if every word you've said is completely true, to called Loyde's business practices "shady"... He may not have have told you the complete detail of every tiny little thing, including about his expierience about this exact thing... but does the guy at McDonalds need to tell you that your french fries are the first french fries of the day and because the oil is not as thoroughly heated, as not as used, your fries might taste a little different? If they did taste different, unsatisfactorily so, then you complained and got more and more replacement fries until you thoight they were perfect, would you be upset enough to post about it on Billy's French Fry Forum?

And as far as the shipping costs go... You buy a pair of pants from a catalog. They don't fit you as well as you would like, no matter how great the company or product is, you sent the pants back and want an exchange for another style. You pay the shipping for the return and the new pants. No matter the product the shipping is covered by the purchaser. Now I understand that this is different than pants, but maybe your car has the equivilent of funny shaped hips?

See, it's all about perspective.

Or I'm an idiot at 4am.. one or the other.

Carry on.

Fiero Finale DEC 05, 04:54 AM
No problem man, glad this isn't getting to hot here and that it toned down a bit more to a calm converse of words.

To make it better for the people who do not agree with Darth's telling of the whole story(which I think personally was great that he showed both sides) maybe it would be best if Lloyd himself came & posted here if he's a PFF member as i'm taking he is from the post Darth made about him posting in threads. Like Mstangsbware said, everyone is entitled to there opinion BUT keep it clean like slickrick2000 posted a few posts above(read to see what I mean).

Ancaster DEC 05, 05:17 AM
Well given its was origanally posted at 3:18 AM i doubt loyde will post but can say this seems unusual as loyde has been doing bussiness for many years on this forum and i never saw a complaint before.

Not taken sides but I do know loyde on a very limited basis also know he comes across harsh alot sometimes but is very helpful in most cases

seems more of a misunderstanding than anything else

Nebiros88 DEC 05, 06:01 AM
Material like this makes me almost laugh at the maturity you? 30-40 yr old business men? What is this forum to you Darth? An escape? All you have done is tried to publicly tarnish Loyde's rep. Tell me, who else reprograms OBDIIs? People on the Grand Prix sites? There are numerous changes the must be made and accounted for when trying to use 2000 equip and electronics in a 20 yr old car. Loyde is, as far as I'm aware of, the ONLY one who has reprogrammed the OBDII to work in the fiero... does that mean nothing? If you were pioneering the reprogramming of PCMs, do you think you could get it 100% right for every car? I could almost guarantee you could not...there are factors changing every swap, without actually having the car, proper tuning is a hit or miss, all you can do is try something out.

Who am I to talk? I am one of Loyde's past customers, he drove several hundred miles to pick up my car, and trailored it back to me when completed. There were a couple of bumps along the way, but nothing talking and explaining things out didn’t resolve. He had my car for 2 months, installed and properly tuned my car. Upon arrival of my car back there were some idle issues with the climate and elevation changes, rather then make it a public issue, I called Loyde up and in 2 days I had a new PCM, plugged it in and it has worked great since.

I have nothing but praise for the work Loyde did on my car and his ability to promptly deal with issues. However, you made this a public issue when it was not needed. Personal or business... needs to be taken care of in private. Personally I don’t care what was said, it should have been taken care of in a more professional and private manner.

I have nothing against you Darth, you are a respected member of this forum, but coming on here to post matters which do not concern this forum is asking for trouble. I don't agree with the "people need to be aware"...No, when the situation is completely taken care of, that would be the time to post.

Best of luck to you both....I hope you can work out something IN PRIVATE.

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Monkeyman DEC 05, 07:37 AM
I had some egg nog and some Carbwells Oreo cookies for breakfast.

Dave

nocutt DEC 05, 07:53 AM
...Nothing to say about the other character, but I kind of feel you Darth...you should have just bought the DHP tuner...no bells, no whistles, no fancy graphs...but it is a well tuned and 3800 SPECIFIC suite...not the other way round! Folks here aren't really concerned about the underlying issue...what if that were your own car...and god forbid because nobody else does OBD2 programming in fieros your engine pops and the problem can be related to the 'reprogram' do you chunk it up to "oh things happen"? Anyways this I am sure is not the place for it regardless but it is a BB...
Ryan you will find the DHP suite to be a better program...hope your issues are resolved...

"In the land of the blind, is the man with one eye the king"?

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3800 II v6 intercooled turbo...CWP!

LoW_KeY DEC 05, 08:28 AM
sorry to hear Ryan, concering the last part I think the work you've done in the past has been damn good! and 35 for a chip burn you can't beat that, I know other places for a chip burn want a couple hundred.

hopefully you get the issues worked out on the ECM and everything else squared away. Both of you offer help just in different areas of the states which is a plus to any fiero person.

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3800 SC/IC Modified
Fiero Formula | MI Street Scene

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