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Steve Normington JUN 11, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

International highway system?
Highway system: is paid fully by the gasoline tax. It's called "roads and bridges tax"
Librarys: are supposed to be funded for the community BY the community, most are paid for by local taxes.
publically funded colleges: Show me one, I want to sign up.. oh wait I'm a bum so I don't qualify as an American citizen. mainly funded by grants from the government, corporate and private donations.
national parks: are funded by the government, how much do 100,000 park rangers make? (Just grabbing a number out of my ares)
museums: Are a private institution paid for mainly through donations and enterence fees. I don't see how this applies.
disaster relief: You mean insurance?.. it's a private business. If you don't have insurance .. ya loose, sorry.
disability insurance: it's a private business. If you don't have insurance .. ya loose, sorry.
public schools: are funded by local municipalities not the federal government. Property tax.
local roads and sidewalks: Local municipalities.. Property taxes.. again.
space exploration, cell phone technology, and many other things.: A business called NASA and if I'm not mistaken they are not making any money by keeping the shuttle grounded.. Money better spent in the Iraq war I suppose?


You didn't specify that it was only Federal income taxes, so I based my list on all taxes including sales tax.

Much of the revenue for the highways system comes from gasoline taxes but the highway system gets about $4 billion from other taxes.
Library: Libraries and museums received $214 million in Federal funds in 2002.
College: I have a publically funded college about 10 minutes from me. It is called Arizona State University. Universities and smaller colleges received $1.5 billion in Federal funds in 2002.
Parks: $2.5 billion for parks and wildlife management in 2002.
Museums: Libraries and museums received $214 million in Federal funds in 2002.
Disaster relief: Does FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency ) mean anything to you? In 2003, it contributed almost $2 billion to disaster relief. If your community is destroyed by a hurricane, you can get it rebuilt using Federal money. BTW, Florida is the third biggest disaster area after California and Texas.
Disability: Does Social Security mean anything? It doesn't just cover retirement, it also covers disability.
Public Schools: $31.3 billion (not including college) in Federal funds in 2002.
Roads: You didn't specify Federal taxes, so I included all taxes.
NASA is not a business, they are a Federally funded department.
Note that I didn't include the $150 billion in Medicare or $250 billion for Health and Human services.

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And you have still not answered my OT question.

JeffMN JUN 11, 02:18 PM
I remember watching a Sam Kinison comedy tape.

He was talking about famine in Africa.

There was a kernel of truth to what he had to say:

"Go where the food is."

Florida is not exactly the high tech capital of the world. The only things redeeming about that state is sunshine and mickey mouse. Other than that you're living in a giant retirement community with an economy geared around entertainment, yard care and the drive thru window--all of it overseen by the most corrupt government that side of Louisiana.

My employer closed their office in Minnesota a couple of years ago and paid all of my moving expenses, gave me extra $$$ and bonuses to move me to Chicago. A week rarely goes by that I (and others in my company) don't get calls from head hunters. Jobs are there for anyone with something more substantial than a high school diploma. Student loans are cheap.

Move to Illinois, New York or the Carolinas and I promise you you'll find work.

-Jeff

84Bill JUN 11, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Normington:
Disaster relief: Does FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency ) mean anything to you? In 2003, it contributed almost $2 billion to disaster relief. If your community is destroyed by a hurricane, you can get it rebuilt using Federal money. BTW, Florida is the third biggest disaster area after California and Texas.

As I said before I needed to keep it pithy.

Let’s examine just this one case and then go back and re-read my posts.

This is an example of waste and the government’s inaction to promote the welfare and tranquility of the public in general. It is a multi faceted problem so I can only tackle one problem at a time and shed light where “I” believe it exists. You may wish do disagree if you choose because I seek the answers to the problems myself.

INSURANCE (Big corporations)
The insurance industry is corrupt, what I mean is they collect a mandatory fee from the working masses to protect them from losses. It’s a good program and a great idea, just as I mentioned my mandatory voluntary service mentioned above. In any event the CEO’s and CFO’s and the CEO to the CFO and all the OO’s live and work in opulent extravagant fashion that far exceeds that of their working “clients” cough.. cough.. I mean slaves.

This pretty much covers Insurance but they have ways of not paying their clients when disaster strikes and they suddenly realize they don’t have enough money to cover the overly inflated losses. So what does the insurance company do when the CEO’s friend’s sister in laws brother who is a contractor over inflates the cost of repair for 48 year old Aunt Millie’s house that got blowed down and killed her pet cat fluffy? Why they go to their rich Uncle Sam who is all too happy to provide “a friend of the family” with more money. So who gets the shaft when aunt Millie has to live in a cardboard box and collect food stamps because her business also got blowed down in the same hurricane. Oh all she needs to do is pick up a hammer and do mandatory voluntary service called habitat for humanity to rebuild her own house??

Still with me?


BANKS (Big corporations)
Let’s examine housing in Florida, for that matter housing in general. The sale and purchase of a home is “the American dream”, this dream is corrupt. Rather it is corrupted by corporate greed IE the banks. Again the CEO’s and CFO’s and the CEO to the CFO and all the OO’s live and work in opulent extravagant fashion that far exceeds that of their working clients. However the dream of their clients will be sold to the highest bidder if their bum of a client looses his job.

HOUSING (the American dream) (Big corporations)
Houses are nothing more than a semblance of brick, wood, plastic and sprinklings of glass. It’s not a whole lot of stuff but why does it cost so damn much to buy? I know there is a thing called supply and demand but this is an unregulated supply, or is it? Sure land is about the only limiting factor and all ya need to do is ask a tree hugger, he will tell you that in plain English.

So who determines the value (supply and demand) of a house?
The banks dictate the supply of houses and their amortized value because the again the CEO’s friend’s sister in laws brother who is a contractor is building the houses. It’s no sweat off the CFO’s ass because they ALL will greatly benefit from the building of an absurdly inflated cost to build house that is so shoddily constructed it will hardly stand up to a 35 mph breeze let alone a hurricane. Poor Aunt Millie has no clue what she is buying, she thinks it’s the American dream but it isn’t.


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Originally posted by Steve Normington:
And you have still not answered my OT question.


And you have yet to answer my On Topic question.

Why is it I am required to volunteer my time to build a house so I can collect welfare because my government has sent jobs overseas to help big corporations make more money that has itself cost me my job and a shot at the American dream?

Do I really need to sacrifice my happiness and work at a McJob I hate after spending thousands of dollars and years of my time because I love what I do and chose it as a career? I Know full well that the McJob will NEVER afford me either happiness OR the shot at the American dream. I'm slow but I aint that slow.

I know it may seem as though I am chicken little screaming “tell the King !! tell the King!! The Sky is falling.

I’m not!
All I want you to do is look up and tell me if it is. If it is then tell me who the King is and I will make an appointment in November, I have a very busy schedule ya know.


PS
I just heard rumor that the US wishes to open up “trade” with Cuba.
I think it’s a great idea myself but I wonder what the “starving people of China” will think when they start seeing a “Made in Cuba” label on things they used to make.
Big corporate America sure won’t care because they are making a killing on reduced shipping (due mainly to higher energy costs COUGH… spit cough!!) and pass the “goods” they make back to China for consumption. We all know how prosperous China is. After all their workers have bought the American dream by the sweat of their brow and are demanding higher wages for their services (COUGH cough.. spit rant) I mean pay their credit card bills and get a new hot water heater.

Ya know if it weren't for Reagan dieing I would probably know why it is "Such a wonderfull World"

So "I just think to myself", sometimes I think out loud.

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Steve Normington JUN 11, 03:42 PM
[ad hominem argument]

Has anyone tried to argue with Jello? I haven't but now I know how it feels.

[/aha]

Here is the answer:

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Society is helping you by providing food stamps. This law says that you have to return some of that help.

In other words, the law says that when you are getting help, you need to give help. If you get something from society, you should give to society. The government puts out a large amount of money to unemployed people. It feels it is less of a burden on taxpayers if the government gets something of value in return for that money. In this case, the something of value is your labor.

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84Bill JUN 11, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Normington:

[ad hominem argument]

Has anyone tried to argue with Jello? I haven't but now I know how it feels.

[/aha]

Here is the answer:

In other words, the law says that when you are getting help, you need to give help. If you get something from society, you should give to society. The government puts out a large amount of money to unemployed people. It feels it is less of a burden on taxpayers if the government gets something of value in return for that money. In this case, the something of value is your labor.


Ahem
I paid my taxes for 2x years so if I ever fell on hard times my rich Uncle Sam would help me out when I fall on hard times.. Apparently he prefers his rich friends over me and has indentured me to his care.

Last time I read the constitution (in my opening post) it said

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From the US Constitution
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I don't see where it reads anything about Corporations..

It says "People" not a conglomeration and benefit there of.

We are the people, not the corporations that seek to take all our money in exchange for the American dream. Our government seems to be in bed with the corporations and has seen fit to team up with big business and screw us all.

Hey Steve

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WAKE THE FREAK UP !!!!!!!

Steve Normington JUN 11, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

I paid my taxes for 2x years so if I ever fell on hard times my rich Uncle Sam would help me out when I fall on hard times.. Apparently he prefers his rich friends over me and has indentured me to his care.


You are getting taken care of via food stamps. If you want a level of income that is equal to what you were making before, everyone would have to be taxed something like 4 x what they are now. Would you have wanted to be taxed that much when you were working? And if welfare was as high as you make at a job, what would be the incentive to get a job?

I'm still waiting for an answer or are you going to claim I still haven't answered your question?

84Bill JUN 11, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Normington:
I'm still waiting for an answer or are you going to claim I still haven't answered your question?

No.
Because I already heard that BS before... In fact it is law so you really didn't answer my question... Please look up and tell me what you see.

I see a pile of dirt where the sky should be, I was just wondering if you see the same.

pokeyfiero JUN 11, 04:27 PM
Bill just exactly how should the world be run?
Boondawg JUN 11, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

Bill just exactly how should the world be run?


Like: StarTrek - The Next Generation - Everyone working for the betterment of Humanity - Money NOT being the ruling factor......................

Steve Normington JUN 11, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

No.
Because I already heard that BS before... In fact it is law so you really didn't answer my question... Please look up and tell me what you see.

I see a pile of dirt where the sky should be, I was just wondering if you see the same.


Yes, I did answer it. The governent is spending money on welfare. They feel they should get something for that money.