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| How much will it take for people to understand the meaning of Islam? (Page 3/14) |
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Songman
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NOV 20, 11:59 AM
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I didn't see him say anything close to that...
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Mach10
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NOV 20, 12:56 PM
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by trailboss: Dennis how can you be so misguided?
Didn't you hear that Islam is a religion of peace? *editted image* |
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*Images removed on request* [This message has been edited by Mach10 (edited 11-27-2003).]
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trailboss
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NOV 20, 01:45 PM
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Yeah right,
Hitler and the KKK were Christians?
Try again, that is a pretty lame asessment.
Hitler did buddy up with the Catholic church, I agree on that, however many churches claim to be Christian but there is the doctrine of justification by faith which the catholic church does not agree with historic Christianity.
{council of Trent}
Constantinople claimed to be a Christian, however he trusted in works also.
Jesus said that "by their fruits you shall know them"
None of the above passes the smell test.
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trailboss
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NOV 20, 02:01 PM
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Songman under Sharia law {muslim} women are stoned to death for adultery. {men are not}
Women are beaten in the streets if they fail to meet the strict dress codes put down by the leaders, as was prominently done by the Taliban.
Women are relegated to slavery status.
Noted wildeyed right wingers like Kim Gandy of NOW and Butros Butrosgali {former UN secy,} spoke out against Islamic atrocities against women.But the leftist members here would prefer to pretend that the article posted above is an isolated event.
Either they refuse to remain blindly ignorant, or they support that type of conduct. "Islam, a great way of life" not..
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/women.html [This message has been edited by trailboss (edited 11-20-2003).]
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connecticutFIERO
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NOV 20, 02:12 PM
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 So you are saying that they are not blindly ignorant?
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JohnnyK
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NOV 20, 02:19 PM
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Ahhh! So if you see someone who 'is' a christian.. and he's doing something wrong, he's not christian.. thereby keeping the christian name good.. But if you see someone who thinks they are a muslim, doing something bad, it doesn't apply?
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trailboss
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NOV 20, 02:21 PM
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I was talking about the people that flamed Dennis for posting the article. As for the people that were raised in that society, I guess that they have never known anything different.
In pre Taliban Afghanistan women were allowed to go to school and work as doctors etc..
After we liberated Afghanisatn the women were excited about the prospects for their future with the Taliban gone.
When the Muslim Clerics run the middle eastern countries, freedom for women evaporates.
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trailboss
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NOV 20, 02:28 PM
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You are pretty good at twisting what others say johnny. I can call myself an indy car driver, but just saying it doesn't make me one.
read up on the council of Trent and compare it with justification by faith alone.
there is a great gulf between the two.
The KKK is represented by the likes of "sheets" Byrd' democratic congressman. I have an appointment, gotta go..
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rogergarrison
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NOV 20, 03:10 PM
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by trailboss: Dennis how can you be so misguided?
Didn't you hear that Islam is a religion of peace?  |
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Isnt that what Hitler said to the Nazis about Arians? I hear about the Koran, Coran or whatever says not to ever kill, but all just about any Islams you hear about do, is kill anyone whos not their friend. THEY dont even know what their religion is about. Sorry, but in my opinion, the world would be better off if they all joined Karesh and went to whatever kind of 'heaven' they have. Yes, there are probably good ones, but the percentage is sooooooooo low, Id except the loss :P
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Mach10
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NOV 20, 03:35 PM
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by trailboss: Yeah right,
Hitler and the KKK were Christians?
Try again, that is a pretty lame asessment.
Hitler did buddy up with the Catholic church, I agree on that, however many churches claim to be Christian but there is the doctrine of justification by faith which the catholic church does not agree with historic Christianity.
{council of Trent}
Constantinople claimed to be a Christian, however he trusted in works also.
Jesus said that "by their fruits you shall know them"
None of the above passes the smell test. |
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Thank you for making my point. Regardless of whether they were acting on "Christian" beliefs, or following the words presented as such, they were STILL using Christianity as justification for their actions. In otherwords, "Oh, they weren't real Christians, anyway. Look what they did!" Which I think is perfectly relevant in this conversation. "They weren't real Muslims, anyway. Look what they did!" It's a beautiful double-standard. We are allowed to have all sorts of different kinds of Christianity, some right, some wrong. You can pick and choose which to include in your definition of Christianity (And as a Catholic, I'm pretty pissed that you exclude us). But when you talk about Islam, it's all automatically a single sect. Oh, this group did this, Therefore they are ALL evil. So tell me, how do YOU define Islam? Anyway, I have better things to do that run around in circles to the likes of you or dennis. We've all said these exact things before, again, and again. You will not acknowledge the fact that you know almost nothing of their culture except hyped up "reports" from western news sources. Nor will you acknowledge any similarity in your respective theological histories. You are too cosy hating them for what you think they are. You don't know them, but you hear about them all the time from the Goddess of Wisdom, CNN. Thinking of them as animals makes it so much easier to slaughter them. Just ask anyone in Rowanda, 3rd Reich Germany, Bosnia, Somalia etc etc etc... Face it, you NEED an enemy to hate. Otherwise, you might be forced to look inward, and deal with the social issues ravaging your own people. But please, don't let actual facts or slanted reporting get in the way of your blind and misunderstood hatred.
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