Landscaper Under Fire for Refusing to Work for Gays (Page 29/65)
jstricker NOV 13, 07:04 PM
Again, for you since you persist in missing the point:

I DO NOT CARE HOW THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES I ONLY WANT TO BE LEFT OUT OF IT

Can you hear me now?

John Stricker

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Originally posted by Boondawg:


"YOUR LIFE"
It's no one elses, and therefore cannot be dictated on the whim of someones personal belief on how they should live it, as long as it does not hurt another.
84Bill NOV 13, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Boondawg:
"YOUR LIFE"
It's no one elses, and therefore cannot be dictated on the whim of someones personal belief on how they should live it, as long as it does not hurt another.



Ohh.. thats goooooood...
I'll have to add that one..
jstricker NOV 13, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by 84Bill:
ENTERPRISE of civil authority is the government at large. They have a duty to ensure the civil rights of the people are not violated.

So how are the rights of this BUSINESS being violated? They arent... simple as that.. business don't have CIVIL rights.




As long as I have THE CHOICE to decide who I will or will not do business with my rights are NOT violated. When MY RIGHTS are violated is when I'm forced under penalty of law or through terroistic threat and REQUIRED to do business with those I feel are living a morally unconscienable life.

That I will not stand for.

John Stricker
Toddster NOV 13, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Wolfhound:

Todd, My apologies, Didn't mean to go over your head. Just trying to point out your hypocrisy.
I'll try to explain.
I was just wondering why your statement didn't apply to the Dixie Chicks?

You said:




Clearly my response was over YOUR head. I'll dumb it down a little,

It doesn't apply to the Dixie Chicks since the analogy is inaccurate. The Dixie Chicks, unlike our gardening friends, made a political comment during a performance in which paying customers had every right to expect NOT to have to listen to a political rant but instead to enjoy the music. Those customers were promised music and got politics, that is false advertising and fraud. The Gardeners, although clearly bigoted and obnoxious, took no money for their services before the assault on their opinions began.

If I met a gardener who refused to work with Republicans I'd simply say, "Fine, can I watch from the sidelines as your business goes downt he toilet?" and have been content to walk away.

But had I forked up $40 to hear a concert and be forced to endure the dimwitted ravings of an ignorant valley girl I would have demanded my money back, and an apology, and would be entitled to both! To my knowledge the Dixie Chicks have never apologized to their patrons for these misdemeanors.

You ASSUMED the two cases were the same.

Clear?
84Bill NOV 13, 07:10 PM
You do.. but if you have opinions against a gay lifestyles your BUSINESS had better serve gays as equally as you serve anyone else. OR ELSE your business may be sued in court.

You ARE entitled to your opinion John but if you use your business to propogate your hate then you may be in for a rude awakening.



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Originally posted by jstricker:
As long as I have THE CHOICE to decide who I will or will not do business with my rights are NOT violated. When MY RIGHTS are violated is when I'm forced under penalty of law or through terroistic threat and REQUIRED to do business with those I feel are living a morally unconscienable life.




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That I will not stand for.

John Stricker



Then YOU will fall.

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Toddster NOV 13, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by jstricker:

Be careful who you quote, Bill, it can come back to bite you in the butt.

John Stricker



And often does when he quotes Jefferson...of whom he knows nothing.
Boondawg NOV 13, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by jstricker:

I DO NOT CARE HOW THEY LIVE THEIR LIVES I ONLY WANT TO BE LEFT OUT OF IT
Can you hear me now?



And the landscaper could have been left out of it if he would have just said, "No thank you.".
But he proved he WANTED in thier personal life when he stated, (in not so many words) "Becouse you are homosexuals."

HE'S THE ONE THAT INTRUDED INTO SOMEONES PERSONAL LIFE!

I KNOW you heard THAT!

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jstricker NOV 13, 07:13 PM
Bring it on, Bill. I will follow my conscince and have no regrets, whatever the outcome, be that in reference to the violation of private business deciding on who they can or cannot work for or in deciding for myself who is, or is not, living a lifestyle I can support.

John Stricker

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Originally posted by 84Bill:

You do.. but if you have opinions against a gay lifestyles you had better serve gays as equally as you serve anyone else. OR ELSE your business may be sued in court.

You ARE entitled to your opinion John but if you use your business to propogate your hate then you may be in for a rude awakening.
Then YOU will fall.
jstricker NOV 13, 07:16 PM
Again, if he'd have been less than honest. He chose not to do that and is being villified for it. Nice choice there when we have to set aside our principles to stay out of trouble. Not acceptable and also not according to the Bible.

John Stricker

BTW, you're also assuming the gay couple didn't set out this little sting operation, personally I think everything points to the fact that they did and therefore THEY interjected their agenda into the business owners' life. Up until the time THEY CONTACTED THE BUSINESS, the owner didn't know, and didn't care, what lifestyle they led from all accounts.


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Originally posted by Boondawg:


And the landscaper could have been left out of it if he would have just said, "No thank you.".
But he proved it WANTED in thier personal life when he stated, (in not so many words) "Becouse you are homosexuals."
HE'S THE ONE THAT INTRUDED INTO SOMEONES PERSONAL LIFE!

I KNOW you heard THAT!



84Bill NOV 13, 07:18 PM
I have absolutly NOTHING to loose by fighting this issue with you John.


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Originally posted by jstricker:

Bring it on, Bill. I will follow my conscince and have no regrets, whatever the outcome, be that in reference to the violation of private business deciding on who they can or cannot work for or in deciding for myself who is, or is not, living a lifestyle I can support.

John Stricker




Your PUBLIC business is at stake and I'll be seeing what I can do about bringing attention to it. I'm sure you sell your wheat and I'm sure there is a gay business man who will offer to buy it. Go ahead and refuse to sell.

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