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Boondawg
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NOV 13, 06:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
"The more I learn, the more I appreciate the depth and breadth of my ignorance. We are all fools, the wisest of us are aware of it, the rest..." - Lurker
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Very much so!
There are those, whose world would crumble, if they had to admit that.
I am not one of them.
I have always tryed to step outside myself and/or twist my mind into seeing things from directions my mind is not used to.
From a viewpoint that leaves the "time & expirience built" beliefs of the "comfortable" me behind.
Sometimes the "uncomfortable" me yields the most "mold-shattering" insights into the "comfortable" me.
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84Bill
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NOV 13, 06:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
Very much so!
There are those, whose world would crumble, if they had to admit that.
I am not one of them.
I have always tryed to step outside myself and/or twist my mind into seeing things from directions my mind is not used to.
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I know Boon... Your empathy is a well honed tool.
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From a viewpoint that leaves the "time & expirience built" beliefs of the "comfortable" me behind.
Sometimes the "uncomfortable" me yields the most "mold-shattering" insights into the "comfortable" me. |
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I'll save this one for the weekend. Seems heady and requires the spirit of mother nature to be called forth from the smouldering fire of a pungent weed. 
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jstricker
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NOV 13, 06:48 PM
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Doesn't relate.
Skin color (race) is something you're born with and have no control over. You have a CHOICE on how to live your life sexually.
John Stricker
| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
The same could be said for not wanting to do buisness with blacks, reds, yellows, women, athests, ANYONE.
What if Safeway did it?
What if Hospitals did it?
What if Cafe's did it?
What if Schools did it?
What if Gas stations did it?
What if the Police did it?
Whoops, I went to far. |
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Boondawg
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NOV 13, 06:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Taijiguy:
So a person is entitled to their opinion, unless it is in disagreement with the lifetsyle/color/creed of a person who has proclaimed themselves a minority? Any chance I could get a complete list of those who are off-limits to any critisism or opposition? Would I be on that list, or is it OK if poeple just say what they want about me? How about if that person is gay/black/Hispanic? Is the list null and void then, or am I required to just sit quietly? Any wiggle-room anywhere in there? |
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You can say, "I don't like you."
You can't say, "I don't like you becouse you are black."
You own an animal.
You can work that animal at your will alone.
The Bible says an animal has no soul, and therefore not entitled to any of Gods grace or protection.
A sin can be created with an animal, but not to an animal.
Yet vurtually every Religion encourages respecting the lives of animals.
But some humans are reguarded as less then something that has no [soul?
The above is my attempt at the rhetoric of circular logic.
I may need to set the bong down for awhile!
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jstricker
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NOV 13, 06:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
"No provision in our Constitution ought to be dearer to man than that which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprises of the civil authority." --Thomas Jefferson to New London Methodists, 1809
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And yet you persist on my acceptance of a lifestyle which I in good conscience can never accept.
| quote | Originally posted by 84Bill:
"The freedom of opinion and the reasonable maintenance of it is not a crime and ought not to occasion injury." --Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1801
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And yet you call my opinion hateful and intolerant.
Be careful who you quote, Bill, it can come back to bite you in the butt.
John Stricker
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Boondawg
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NOV 13, 06:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
Doesn't relate.
Skin color (race) is something you're born with and have no control over. You have a CHOICE on how to live your life sexually.
John Stricker
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Exactly.[This message has been edited by Boondawg (edited 11-13-2006).]
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jstricker
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NOV 13, 06:51 PM
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Because someone is (in the eyes of some faiths) living a sinful lifestyle does not equate to them having no soul, Boondawg.
Give up on the analogies, you don't do them well.
John Stricker
| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
You can say, "I don't like you."
You can't say, "I don't like you becouse you are black."
You own an animal.
You can work that animal at your will alone.
The Bible says an animal has no soul, and therefore not entitled to any of Gods grace or protection.
A sin can be created with an animal, but not to an animal.
Yet vurtually every Religion encourages respecting the lives of animals.
But some humans are reguarded as less then something that has no [soul?
The above is my attempt at the rhetoric of circular logic.
I may need to set the bong down for awhile! |
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jstricker
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NOV 13, 06:53 PM
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Exactly what?
One example you have a choice on how to live.
The other you have no choice.
What exactly are you talking about? I agree, you should put the bong down for awhile.
John Stricker
| quote | Originally posted by Boondawg:
Exactly.
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84Bill
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NOV 13, 07:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
Be careful who you quote, Bill, it can come back to bite you in the butt.
John Stricker
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Not a chance Jonh... Now PAY ATTENTION
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"No provision in our Constitution ought to be dearer to man than that which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprises of the civil authority." --Thomas Jefferson to New London Methodists, 1809
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ENTERPRISE of civil authority is the government at large. They have a duty to ensure the civil rights of the people are not violated.
So how are the rights of this BUSINESS being violated? They arent... simple as that.. business don't have CIVIL rights.
Now read this
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"The freedom of opinion and the reasonable maintenance of it is not a crime and ought not to occasion injury." --Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1801
It's fine to have an opinion against a gay lifestyle but when it INJURES, that is where the line is drawn and "hate" / "crime" comes into the picture. Injury without justice will bring about further injury and further the pain.
It's fine to not like gays.. that IS an opinion and anyone can have it BUT it is NOT OKAY to injure someone by refusing service to them simply because they are gay. Thats where opinions injure. Refusal of service because they are gay IS NOT an opinion anymore.. thats an action.
Thats what TJ was saying..
It's okay to have an opinion as long as it does not injure another..
The COMPANY injured another citizen by refusing service. Not the individuals running the COMPANY...... but the PUBLIC COMPANY. The COMPANIES policy is in need of correction and its people might need sensitivity training to help them cope with the world outside of their own little church....I mean work place. Afterall they do deal with the public... You know the little country they live in called AMERICA? home to 300 million others?
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[This message has been edited by 84Bill (edited 11-13-2006).]
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Boondawg
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NOV 13, 07:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
Exactly what?
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| quote | Originally posted by jstricker:
You have a CHOICE on how to live your life sexually.
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"YOUR LIFE"
It's no one elses, and therefore cannot be dictated on the whim of someones personal belief on how they should live it, as long as it does not hurt another.[This message has been edited by Boondawg (edited 11-13-2006).]
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