[This message has been edited by Back On Holiday (edited 09-09-2010).]

quote Originally posted by Back On Holiday: Lets keep this simple, you obviously cannot handle the quoted questions above, so i'll ask this simple question again Edit, heres a picture to prove you did it in front of my son and steph's son. Talk your way out of this

Yea here goes the bastin of everything here..... Its like 1 you have never cursed in front of your kid before. 2 You think im not going to curse at the both of you when your having a snow ball fight with my car in the middle and both of you intentionaly missing each other to hit my new car? Yup your really setting a prime example there for your chil teaching him that vandelizing someone elses personal property is ok. And i put up the middle finger in a pic....... Wow you act like you have never seen that before. Have you ever ventured over to the girls with fiero catagory? You can have a field day with BMWguru's wife (who I will add is the coolest chick in the world) You probabley did somthing to deserve me giving you the bird anyway. After everything you put my through at carlisle you sure as hell deserved it.... *Its like i said you turned an enjoyable family even ment for car enthusiust's to share there cars into a Lets bash PK circus.. I cant even tell you how many PM's/ comments i got at the show saying that what you (BOH) did was downright embarresing to the fiero community at carlisle which me being the butt of that joke completley agrees, and you dident do all that jusdt to have fun. You told me months in advance "your probabley going to cry when it happens" But im not the cry baby and thankfuly im a nice guy and dident try to push your teath in. But than again you almost make a joke out of this whole board with your sick obsession of photoshopping me/ belitteling me towards everyone which i also revieve PM's about.


And i cant even beleave you had the audasity to say that your son was starting to use swear words because of me lets see who is he around most of the day. Who does he idolize(sure as hell isant me) Who does he look up to.. HIS FATHER and you with your extremeley short temper and issues it really dosent surprise me that he uses thoes words. Its up to you to teach him that there wrong. And you want to talk about being a responsable figure Who is the one who stayed at littiz last year letting his wife 10 year old son and 4 year old daughter clearley freezing and wanting to go home but no. You had to satisfy your needs before theres. Its a good thing my dad offered them a blanket we had in the back of the car to use or they might have ended up getting sick. Or lets talk about last years carlile when you brought your son up with you in your blue GT. A car that was clearley not safe to be on the road and yet you and yourt impullsiveness wanted it there and dident care about the problems it was having/showing you it had not even 4 min away from your house. And to everyone that saw it, I lied when I said he put his son in the van when his suspension went out on the drive home from carlisle. He drove his own son (9 years old at the time i beleave) in a possable accident waiting to happen down the PA turnpike (A good almost 100 miles) And he stopped off multapule times to have his wifes van charge his battery off the vans alternator so he had plenty of opertunity's to say son the car is having problems and you need to ride with your mother but thats not what happend. And you say I'm irresponsable? I at least know when my car shouldent be on the road. Why do you think both my cars made it there 2 years in a row without so much as a hickup?
And lest see. Who dident even send any assistance to the tyler build? Who sat on the computer in the build chat and belittled me the whole time I was working or sitting in front of the computer answering questions. Who is the one who couldent stop calling me evry 5 min trying to see where PK was and what i can say next about him to embarres him Who said."I cant beleave there sending YOU out there for this". Lets talk about a selfish a$$hole now shall we.

And if you would learn how to read. You would see i did admit i owed you money. I did say it might be a little while before I can pay it back. If your trying to make me out to be some kind of deadbeat dont even try it... Your a f*&^ing loser and you know it. I only put up with your sh*t becuase you offerd me help with the fiero's and when you wernt being a complete and utter douchbag you were actuley a pretty cool dude to hangout with, But i had you figured all wrong dident I. Your the only one who had a problem with me on here. Lateley i'v been working with bruce and he even said to me "i dont know why he has such a problem with you your a really nice guy to work with" and others that i'v helped on here im sure would say the same thing. Lets see i'v helped with the tyler project. I'm helping bruce with his car. I'v helped a dude named jeff with fixing his fiero. I'v helped dave out in small ways, and Im sure the list goes on. you being the misrable hermit that you are cant even spare time to anser a simple question i have over the phone. but when you call me asking for help i'm usualy over at your house wityhin 10 min of getting that call. Your the one who made me out to be such an a$$hole on this board making up things that dont pertain to me whatsoever. But good luck. i'll live on because unlike you I have friends who will even tell you im a good friend to them... You dont seem to have any friends now.

[This message has been edited by pontiackid86 (edited 09-01-2010).]

quote Originally posted by Back On Holiday: ...he wont admit to being a selfish douche and not sending 87antuzzi a few bucks.

I didn't send any money to 'tuzzi either, mainly because any money we had left to play with was used to purchase my wife's Fiero. If i did have the extra I would have sent it. But you can't fault anyone who doesn't send charity to others. That would be like saying anyone who didn't send money or parts to the Tyler build was a selfish douche, which simply is not true. If PK could have sent something, and just chose not to, that is his prerogative that he has to live with.

And, for the record:



This photo was already an existing photo, all I did was 'shop Rick's face on it.....a LONG time ago. So people don't be blaming BOH for it. If you want to flame someone for it, flame me. But if you choose to flame me over it, you can just go pound sand anyway. Get over it.

[This message has been edited by Hulki U. My-BFF (edited 09-01-2010).]

First things first: I'm not taking sides here, and I am remaining objective and neutral. So while reading this post, keep this in mind. The both of you.

That said, here is my take on this matter:

Seeing as I am friends with the both of you (and you know I use the term friend loosely here ) and seeing as we've all known each other for what, 2 years plus now? (we are the original short bus crew after all, the three of us), I've seen both sides of the coin.

You both make valid points. Both of you make points that are correct, and points that are incorrect. But the key thing here is this:

Rick, you need to not get so bent out of shape about things. You aren't the only one that Andrew makes fun of. Before you came along, it was back and forth between him and I for the entire week that I went down there when we all first met. You take things too personally. Lighten up a bit and stop getting so butt hurt over little things. Get a bit of self confidence and stop being so defensive and insecure when we make gay jokes and whatnot. Again, you aren't the only one who is the butt of those jokes.

As a friend Rick, Andrew has pointed out a major flaw in your character. Would it have been better for a private conversation? Yes. But now that its in the open...You need to step back a bit and not brag so much about this and that "I got another XXXXXXXXX, its a XXXXXXX and you don't, etc" (insert object). We are happy for you, but you don't need to brag about it. We understand you love the hobby. But we don't need to know when you get something new everytime, and you don't need to try and one up us. The oneupsmanship is a surefire way to get yourself ostracized from all your friends as you get older. My advice: Take a step back from yourself and see yourself from someone else's point of view. Think to yourself "Gee, if I do this, what will I gain from it? If I do this, how will others see me?"

BoH, No disrespect, but sometimes you do take things a bit far with the jokes (luckily for you, when its me on the receiving end I don't give a crap ). That said, I realize it is part of your personality (far be it from me to judge you on this, since I have a similar sense of humor and personality). Some of the jokes an be a little offensive and over the top (again, from an outside looking in point of view. Me personally, I could care less).

Fact of the matter is this: You were both wrong to bring this up on the forum. I don't know how it started exactly, who started it, etc., nor do I really care (even though I've skimmed the thread). Fact of the matter is that this was better worked out over a few cold ones in the driveway. Or a bit of drunken fisticuffs in BoH's garage, with Tom as the referee

Ultimately the can of worms has been opened. Now, both of you need to sit down, suck it up, and work this out like men (violence included, should it come to that ). Do it the old fashioned way for christ sake, beat the tar outta each other, so long as you shake hands and make up at the end of it. I don't care how you fix things. But for the love of Mike (who's Mike?) just suck it up and fix it already.

You two are worse than a married couple


And again, this isn't an attempt to take sides. IMHO, you both are wrong, but you both have valid points.

[This message has been edited by Xerces_Blackthorne (edited 09-02-2010).]