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84Bill JUL 13, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:

Fine, whatever. I'll just go back to my ivory tower and brood over how jealous and envious of you I am for not having the knowledge of the ages implanted into my head by mystic forces like you and Barbara Streisand. Guess I'll just have to keep studying and working hard to earn my props.

But just for the sake of us less fortunate masses could you grant us the honor of revealing the secret of your wisdom in the case of the Trade Deficit with India that surpasses the lowly unenlightened minds of the WTO, EPI, and State Department? I think they have a right to know that they are disillusioned with all of their worthless statisitics and facts and things.


I will not..
Do you know why?

I'll tell you why and lets see if you understand what I'm saying as I shout to you up on high looking down upon me

I'm not a politician, I am a citizen and I am not getting paid to be a politician. However, it is my job to make sure they understand my position (in my case and believe it or not yours too) that they suck ass in a most predictable way and try to refute my argument that I am a disadvantaged citizen by masking my cries of foul play behind a carefully designed and well placed (smoke and mirrors) display of meaningless numbers.

So please Mr. Toadster Sir (who continues to reside up high and mighity on his ever present toadstool spouting off more garbage at me), I could care less how you choose to discredit me. All you are serving to do is look like a total puppet and mindless bafoon. So instead of nodding your head in agreement to a buch of overpriced, over paid, creative dipshit politicians, who do not have any more common sense than a man flying kite in a lightning storm, You continue to call me an raving idiot and unwittingly keep dragging me kicking and screaming onto "the carpet" and attest to your stupidity.

Instead of ineptly & blindly agreeing with a politician you should try agreeing with me and putting this whole idiotic garbage out to pasture so we can both be at peace with ourselves and the world.

Vote for Bush Todd, I really don't care.

I'm both an Independent thinker and an Independent voter for the good OF all of us and not just for myself.

Again.. Good day to you Sir.

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Toddster JUL 13, 04:14 PM

I've heard of putting one's foot in one's mouth. But until now I have never seen anyone do so, then proceed to shove it down their throat, out their rectum, and use it to kick themselves in the groin.

84Bill JUL 13, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Toddster:

I've heard of putting one's foot in one's mouth. But until now I have never seen anyone do so, then proceed to shove it down their throat, out their rectum, and use it to kick themselves in the groin.


LMFAO!!!
Just checking to see if you were awake Todd. You passed.

BAGLMAO!!
You are a trip man!

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84Bill JUL 13, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Fastback 86:


No its not. And the term is "Indentrued Servitude." There's nothing UnConstituntional about it. You work for them and not only do they pay you so you can support yourself, but they pay for all your training and schooling. In return for that, you continue to work for them for a given amount of time to repay them for putting you through school and training.

They're not giving away free training. Why would they spend all that money on you and give you the option to go work for thier competitor? Thats just plain stupid. And no one is forcing you into Servitude or Slavery, its your choice to sign the dotted line. If it was Unconstitutional, it wouldn't exist. You want further proof that its NOT Unconstitutional? How bout ROTC? The military does the same thing: They put you through school, and in return you serve for X number of years to pay off your debt to them.


Well I would agree with you there but ROTC and the military are the true form of indentured servitude however, indentured slavery is an offshoot in the civilian sector where there is far more competition.
Companies who wish to "limit" this competition have devised what I call "Indentured Slavery" because it is not an elective type of job or education once you sign on the dotted line.

The idea is to get people to "sign" away their rights and serve a company rather than themselves as in the case of the military style called servitude.
You see education is free or rather it is paid for with our own tax dollars up to grade 12. However, in todays highly technical world a diploma from high school mearly means you can say "yes" and "no" and in some cases even have the ability to spell it. So public schooling is a joke and needs some general attention because companies will swoop down on unsuspecting highschool grads and get them to ineptly sign away 5 years of their life to a job they don't even know if they want and a payscale that is controlled by their oh so generous company in return for an education that SHOULD be provided for by our tax dollars anyway.

The way it should work is IF you managed to get through highschool and learn a thing or two, a citizen should then be provided with an "elective" in a higher more targeted format as opposed to the general studies a monkey could pass. An elective is a democratic way of ensuring a citizen does not loose their rights to choose their career or compromize their pay.

What I mean by compromize their pay.
If you had two students who sign up for this indentured form of slavery. Student 1 decided he did not like it after he got half way through BUT could not afford to bail out and choose another career because he has not fulfilled the terms of his agreement, so he passes with low grades and a pisspoor attitude about his schooling. He will never function very well when he completes his course of study, He will then pass on that pisspoor attitude while working at his job. He will be making an equal amount in salary as studen 2 who studied very hard and passed with a 4.0 gpa and has a very good work ethic YET can not leave his emplyer for two reasons. 1. He must keep his low salary for 3 years and 2 his field is FULL of Student 1's and even if he did move elsewhere he still has the same pisspoor attitude having Student 1's to deal with.

The way it is currently working it is advantagious for the employer to make a bunch of pisspoor atitude having student 1's and flood the market and at the same time keep their meathooks into a few brillient Student 2's who will be their real money makers.

In a public funded democratic school system both students can pick their careers and if Student 1 decides he does not like being a franalator specialist he can move to Thinamabob inspector school with no penalty thus BOTH student 1 and student 2 are working for careers they want. The quality of service given to the employer will be much better for their customers

BUT the you see that creates a problem because the greedy company will have to pay a competitive salary... Ahhhhh... The old I don't want to be a millionair but a skillionair CEO who saves alot on salaries and comes in under budget making himself a fat bonus and making the stock look nice and juicy trick....


Instead we have this vailed form of slavery masked behind alot of smoke and mirrors that our oh so wize Sooth Sayers feel is a great thing and sell it to the cowering feableminded masses who eat it up and find themselves shackled to the wall and SCREWED with no means of esacpe!

Hense un-Constitutional slavery.

Fastback 86 JUL 14, 03:30 AM
Slavery is not a choice, Bill. No one who ever owned a slave asked them if they wanted to live like trash and be someone's ***** for, oh I dunno, the rest of thier life. When someone signs themselves to a companies contract, they don't give up any rights as a citizen or as a human, so by the very definition of slave, they do not qualify.

Furthermore, if you're not bright enough to read all the fine print BEFORE you sign the line, then you've got whats coming to you. Sadly, it should be common sense these days. Theres no such thing as a free lunch, and if it seems too good to be true, it usually is. If you don't at least take a good hard look at at least the main points of the contract you're signing, you're a fool and shouldn't be signing ANY contracts without someone with half a brain there to read it to you and get it through your head.

Finally, while your idea is all well and good, it'll never happen. Our world is driven by the aquisition of wealth. Not the entire world, but most of it. Now, a real post-K12 education can cost close to or more than $100,000 depending on the field. If you own a company and you agree to put a kid through college, to learn skills that would be valuable to your company, would you mind if, just before he graduated, he gave you the finger and went to work for your competitor? You cannot realistically expect any company to pay for a students upper education without expecting anything in return. Its more than bad business, its just plain stupid. The companies are covering thier asses, thier assets, and thier interests. Its not like gambling on a bid for one contract. People are far less predictable than any business deal and theres a lot more people than deals.

What you're proposing is all flowery and happy and utopian, and it will never, ever happen in the world we live in. Deal with it.

Fastback 86 JUL 14, 03:36 AM
I also want to add that your idea of a democratic, publicly funded K-College school system is as likely as the sun not rising tomarrow. The US already has close to, if not THE worst public education system of any comparable 1st World nation. Schools budgets are laughable right now, so the idea of Federally or State supplied upper education with no strings attached is out landish to say the least.
edhering JUL 14, 04:36 AM

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Originally posted by Fastback 86:

Schools budgets are laughable right now, so the idea of Federally or State supplied upper education with no strings attached is out landish to say the least.


Uh...the Education Bill that none of the Democrats seem to like was the largest expansion of Federal education funding EVER; it was practically written by Teddy Kennedy.

NYC spends $50,000 per student per year.

We're dumping awesome sums of money into our education system. The problem is, it's totally broken--regardless of whether or not the kids learn anything, the teachers still get paid. The administrators still get paid a LOT. I think the school superintendant in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, gets paid half a million bucks per year. (Maybe it was only $400,000.)

There's no penalty for poor performance.

And

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/mail/mail318.html#cheat

check out the link for some interesting info re: education and teacher competence.

Ed

Tugboat JUL 14, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by Fastback 86:


No its not. And the term is "Indentrued Servitude." There's nothing UnConstituntional about it. You work for them and not only do they pay you so you can support yourself, but they pay for all your training and schooling. In return for that, you continue to work for them for a given amount of time to repay them for putting you through school and training.

They're not giving away free training. Why would they spend all that money on you and give you the option to go work for thier competitor? Thats just plain stupid. And no one is forcing you into Servitude or Slavery, its your choice to sign the dotted line. If it was Unconstitutional, it wouldn't exist. You want further proof that its NOT Unconstitutional? How bout ROTC? The military does the same thing: They put you through school, and in return you serve for X number of years to pay off your debt to them.


"Indentrued"? No, at least Bill spelled it right. Servitude means slavery.

Not disputing the contract part.

GL

84Bill JUL 14, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by Fastback 86:

Slavery is not a choice, Bill. No one who ever owned a slave asked them if they wanted to live like trash and be someone's ***** for, oh I dunno, the rest of thier life. When someone signs themselves to a companies contract, they don't give up any rights as a citizen or as a human, so by the very definition of slave, they do not qualify.


Yes it is, in the modern age of words it is very easy to decieve the inept.


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Originally posted by Fastback 86:
Furthermore, if you're not bright enough to read all the fine print BEFORE you sign the line, then you've got whats coming to you. Sadly, it should be common sense these days. Theres no such thing as a free lunch, and if it seems too good to be true, it usually is. If you don't at least take a good hard look at at least the main points of the contract you're signing, you're a fool and shouldn't be signing ANY contracts without someone with half a brain there to read it to you and get it through your head.

Exactly why our public school systems suck!!
It seems our government would much rather spend trillions of dollars on sandcastles in Iraq than on REAL education in our public schools let alone advanced "targeted" education after highschool has been completed.


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Originally posted by Fastback 86:
Finally, while your idea is all well and good, it'll never happen. Our world is driven by the aquisition of wealth. Not the entire world, but most of it. Now, a real post-K12 education can cost close to or more than $100,000 depending on the field. If you own a company and you agree to put a kid through college, to learn skills that would be valuable to your company, would you mind if, just before he graduated, he gave you the finger and went to work for your competitor? You cannot realistically expect any company to pay for a students upper education without expecting anything in return. Its more than bad business, its just plain stupid. The companies are covering thier asses, thier assets, and thier interests. Its not like gambling on a bid for one contract. People are far less predictable than any business deal and theres a lot more people than deals.

The ideal WILL WORK but the We The People must demand it. The government is VERY adept a wording things to make a bad idea sound good. If you're smart enough you will see that it is all "smoke and mirrors" and the government actually WANTS a bunch of blloming idiots that will follow their crafty Sooth Sayers lies and deceptions OR not have the time because the average citizen is FAR to busy to take note of the situation and write a letter to their local representitive.


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Originally posted by Fastback 86:
What you're proposing is all flowery and happy and utopian, and it will never, ever happen in the world we live in. Deal with it.

Well, I'm a 39 year old hippie with my kids future in mind and trust me when I say they are worth my efforts to make changes to they way this government is mistreating them and will continue to abuse them later on in life when they themselves are adults.

Toddster JUL 14, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by Tugboat:


"Indentrued"? No, at least Bill spelled it right. Servitude means slavery.

Not disputing the contract part.

GL



So are you saying that you are not a slave?

When your stomach grumbles do you eat? Congratulations! You are a slave to your biological needs. Where do you get the food to eat when your stomach master demands your attention? Do you pick it from the field or work for someone who pays you money to buy food with? Either way, you are working to fulfill a need.

Now let me anticipate your reply, "That's different. If you don't work for yourself you will die".

Got kids? When the baby cries do you feed him/her or roll over and go back to sleep? When the wife is upset do you talk to her or shrug your shoulders and say, "eh, deal with it". We have demands placed on us in life that have no pay stub attached.

Slaves do not get paid. People who get paid enter into a "contract". I will work, you will pay me for my work. We are ALL slaves to our values and our own lives, that is just plain reality. Deal with it.

If you are too proud to enter a contract with someone because the work is undignified or demeaning to you then what you are saying is that you are better than those people who ARE willing to enter into such a contract. That is arrogance. So is picking on people's spelling instead of the content of their message.