quote Originally posted by Phranc: It's amusing that I hold honesty to a higher regard then the christian does. It isn't very christian to lie much less lie time and again. And Thank you for living down to stereotypes. Dishonest and uneducated.

What's truly amazing is that (you) choose to associate with those (you) consider uneducated, idiots, brainwashed, stereotyped, and lost on a forum whose members have 25-year old cars. One would think with your vast cranial knowledge and haughtiness (you'd) be hob nob ing with the elite members of society, but yet (you're) here.

To take it one step further one would conclude a person like (you) biblical knowledge (reading the bible twice, workings as a alter boy for many years ,) you'd move on, right? However, (you're) history dictates you can't.

Now that's truly freaking amazing! We got Carl Sagan on board,.... who would've thought.

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I copied this again for you to read. Look above for more examples.

quote in biblical terms, "brother", "sister", and "brethren" can mean close relatives, kinsmen, or even close friends

Aren't we all brothers and sisters in the eyes of the Lord? One doesn't need to be a blood relative.

If you want a real answer to this question, ask your priest, and let us know what his answer is on the question of Mary's virginity.

Here is a quote from www.catholic.com

quote Mary: Ever Virgin Most Protestants claim that Mary bore children other than Jesus. To support their claim, these Protestants refer to the biblical passages which mention the "brethren of the Lord." As explained in the Catholic Answers tract Brethren of the Lord, neither the Gospel accounts nor the early Christians attest to the notion that Mary bore other children besides Jesus. The faithful knew, through the witness of Scripture and Tradition, that Jesus was Mary’s only child and that she remained a lifelong virgin. An important historical document which supports the teaching of Mary’s perpetual virginity is the Protoevangelium of James, which was written probably less than sixty years after the conclusion of Mary’s earthly life (around A.D. 120), when memories of her life were still vivid in the minds of many. According to the world-renowned patristics scholar, Johannes Quasten: "The principal aim of the whole writing [Protoevangelium of James] is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ" (Patrology, 1:120–1).

As for Joseph not getting any.

quote according to the Protoevangelium, Joseph, an elderly widower who already had children, was chosen to be her spouse. (This would also explain why Joseph was apparently dead by the time of Jesus’ adult ministry, since he does not appear during it in the gospels,

This explains why Jesus had brothers and sisters too, they were from Joseph's previous marriage. They aren't "blood" relatives.

quote "The Book [the Protoevangelium] of James [records] that the brethren of Jesus were sons of Joseph by a former wife, whom he married before Mary. Now those who say so wish to preserve the honor of Mary in virginity to the end, so that body of hers which was appointed to minister to the Word . . . might not know intercourse with a man after the Holy Spirit came into her and the power from on high overshadowed her. And I think it in harmony with reason that Jesus was the firstfruit among men of the purity which consists in [perpetual] chastity, and Mary was among women. For it were not pious to ascribe to any other than to her the firstfruit of virginity" (Commentary on Matthew 2:17 [A.D. 248]).

http://www.catholic.com/lib...Mary_Ever_Virgin.asp

Like I said above, ask your priest if you have any doubts. They enjoy these type of conversations.

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