Landscaper Under Fire for Refusing to Work for Gays (Page 24/65)
Phranc NOV 13, 04:56 PM
Ok if the bible says gay is immoral does it say why? Can anyone give me a reason why it is immoral with out saying the bible says so.
84Bill NOV 13, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:
To all who are bashing the way I am raising my kids WITHOUT ANY GAYS EVER TUCKING THEM IN AT NIGHT.. Yes, my kids will know the difference between right and wrong.. Homosexuality is wrong. Fine me a spot in the bible to show its approved.. you wont find it.

And to the few that posted negative comments aimed at the way I raise my kids without approving of gays.. please leave me a neg, because I sure left you one.



:::shakes head:::

That right there is the difference between freedom / heretical beliefs and the the church. Good thing inquisitions are no longer in vogue.
Red88FF NOV 13, 05:00 PM

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Originally posted by Formula88:


Please post a source for your statistics.

The evidence is clear. Statistically, your kids are safer from sexual abuse with gays than straights. I'm not trying to change your opinion. You are entitled to hate or fear whoever you want, but don't make up statistics out of thin air as "proof" of your point of view. If you have evidence to support your statistics, please share them.



I do not have a link readily available, I will however look one up when I have more time. I original read an article in something like the New Yorker while flying back from Connecticut.

The article stated that given the percentage of homosexual pedophiles in prison against the,,,, I hate to call them straight pedophiles as they are all sicko's and balance that against the % they make up of the general population and they are 200 times more likely to offend. As I said I will look for a link later.

I mentioned this as somebody else brought it up too. I will not try and prove an absolute negative and clearly stated that this does not mean they will ALL DO IT. Maybe they will chime in again since I am not the only one who read it.

I never said anything about HATE only about my rights and using caution as far as my children are concerned. Do I fear harm to my kids? yes, on many fronts not just possible molestation by either hetro perverts or home perverts. The key word here is pervert.

I do not see why it is so offensive to you that I fully except gays as part of society, respect their right to be gay, will do business with them, I have friends and even family that are gay BUT I DO NOT think it is wise to let them baby sit my grandchildren and tuck them in their beds at night. So F'ing what. It's like gays won't be happy until everyone is gay! You want to do it? fine.
Taijiguy NOV 13, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:


And if you'd take the time to read the posts you'd realize this has been covered many times in this thread.

Expressing an opinion is one thing. Refusing to do business with someone who has done you no harm or who has broken no laws is another.




Well, yeah, you're right, having just popped in here for the first time I missed all that. And I guess I just have to exercise my right to my opinion and and disagree with that. That sounds like a big smokescreen to cover up the hypocrisy. What that statement says is, he's entitled to his opinion, he's just not allowed to conduct himself or his business in compliance with his beliefs and opinions, which is the same as saying he's not allowed to have his opinion, in my opinion anyway.
Patrick NOV 13, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?:

And to the few that posted negative comments aimed at the way I raise my kids without approving of gays.. please leave me a neg, because I sure left you one.




Thanks for the negative.

No one said you had to “approve” of gays, but you’ve already demonstrated by your comments that you aren’t the least bit interested in facts.

Tell me this - Who are you going to give a negative to if (heaven forbid!) your son grows up and is drawn to other males sexually?

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84Bill NOV 13, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by m0sh_man:
so if a business owner refuses to sell product to a person wearing a blue shirt does that mean they are discriminating blue shirts?



Only if he states it to another person or has a sign indicating it. But yeah.. thats a bias or discrimination. Now granted a shirt is optional apparel so it is only a matter of inconvience to the customer but it is a rather stupid rule or bias.


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seems to me that if the owner wants to not sell to gay people he should be allowed to do just that.



Sexual preference may be a choice but it is one that one can not just go and change like a shirt. So no, you are wrong. An employer or business man is not permitted to discriminate on that basis alone. It's just as silly as the shirt deal only alot more damaging to the individual being denied equal and fair service.


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im not condoning gay bashing or people who physically or verbally harm gay's, but frankly it appears that this person who owns the company sent a polite email explaining why they would not be able to meet the bid.

oh well.

matthew




Polite as it may seem it is a bias and it is discrimination and should not be tolorated by anyone who operates a PUBLIC business.
84Bill NOV 13, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by JohnnyK:
sorry, plenty of gays had a normal 'moral' upbringing while knowing whats 'right and wrong'.. What WILL happen is if they do turn out to be gay, they'd be ****ed up from their unsupportive parents.



Ya know.. he could be raising a closet queen and not even know it. Just imagine little thisiswhereiputmyusername feeling the oddball all his life. No one at home understand him then one day... he commits suicide rather than disapoint his loving family.

What a shame.
Boondawg NOV 13, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:

Ok if the bible says gay is immoral does it say why? Can anyone give me a reason why it is immoral with out saying the bible says so.



Or better yet, look in a really old bible.
One that hasn't been sanitized to meet changing standards.

A better question may be "What is gay?"
Does it require intercourse?

Take a gay couple.
Gay in everyway (as people see it, percieved as being femine in their movements & speech, holding hands, living together, hell, maybe even kissing hello & goodbye), minus intercourse.
Are they still gay?

See, theres the rub.
It's in how OTHER people percieve them.
It's what OTHER people project onto them.
It's about OTHER peoples intolerence of things they fear.
Why should it matter AT ALL?
How do they DAMAGE you?
How do you damage THEM?

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Taijiguy NOV 13, 05:13 PM
Man, I just don't get it. There must be a thousand other landscaping businesses. Why would anyone care one bit what the owner of this one thinks? Think about it, this isn't about the guy not wanting to do business with gays, it's about him openly admitting that he doesn't want to do business with them, and them being pissed because he's honest about his feelings. Why do they care so much what he thinks???? And do they think all the hostility directed at him by their peers is going to make him more receptive to their lifestyle?

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Patrick NOV 13, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Taijiguy:

And I guess I just have to exercise my right to my opinion and and disagree with that. That sounds like a big smokescreen to cover up the hypocrisy. What that statement says is, he's entitled to his opinion, he's just not allowed to conduct himself or his business in compliance with his beliefs and opinions, which is the same as saying he's not allowed to have his opinion, in my opinion anyway.




You don't like it? You then have two choices:

1) Go back to the way it was in the good old days and discriminate openly against anyone you wish. Put those black people at the back of the bus where they belong.

Or:

2) Eliminate free speech, prevent people from expressing an opinion. Tighten the screws of oppression.

So what's worse, either of the two choices above, or your perceived "hypocrisy"?

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