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HI-TECH
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MAR 16, 03:56 AM
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o jesus f-ing christ.. this is so freaking pathetic it isn't even funny, i look @ this thread and all i see are kids fighting over who's dad will beat up who and who has the better power ranger action figure. fighting over who puts what motor into a car is just retarded and the fact some people get there panties in a wad so much that they have to devote there time and there life over it is even more pathetic. i'm sorry but some people just need to FU*KING GROW UP. ITS A FU*KING CAR GET OVER IT if you cant, then you really need to AN HERO yourself like now.
p.s. in b4 trashcan....
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crzyone
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MAR 16, 06:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by HI-TECH:
o jesus f-ing christ.. this is so freaking pathetic it isn't even funny, i look @ this thread and all i see are kids fighting over who's dad will beat up who and who has the better power ranger action figure. fighting over who puts what motor into a car is just retarded and the fact some people get there panties in a wad so much that they have to devote there time and there life over it is even more pathetic. i'm sorry but some people just need to FU*KING GROW UP. ITS A FU*KING CAR GET OVER IT if you cant, then you really need to AN HERO yourself like now.
p.s. in b4 trashcan.... |
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You might want to re-read the thread. That's not what it is about at all.
Nice post Archie. I agree, back in the 60s most car guys knew the power of eachother's car. Unfortunatly this is the post 70s 80s and 90s. There were a lot of junk emisson sbc's made in those 3 decades. The TPI and crossfire injection engines are perfect examples. Both are dogs in stock form. When someone claims more than double a stock TPI's power output and then goes to a dyno, you better be able to back your claim up. These are not engines that build power easily. They have a lot of restrictive parts from factory.
This is the internet age. Its just as easy to make up a fake HP number as it is to call someone out on it. If you can't back up a power figure, then don't guess.[This message has been edited by crzyone (edited 03-16-2008).]
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josef644
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MAR 16, 09:56 AM
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Archie, my first stop light drag race was against a Red Sunbeam Tiger. About 1966 or so. It was also my last stoplight drag, I got a ticket from the Dallas Police. They couldnt catch him.
Joe
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FieroJimmy
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MAR 16, 10:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Archie:
I'm sorry you felt insulted, but at the time I felt that you weren't getting the thrust of my opinion.
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That truly is a classy move, on your part, very classy indeed.
You feel that I wasn't understanding your opinion. So, rather than spell it out, you decide to insult me. Then, when I feel insulted, you apologize for my feelings, not your insult (which you instead justify).
Classy, sir.
You've definitely lost me as a potential customer, and I will seek no further interaction with you, until such time as you grow up.
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Blacktree
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MAR 16, 10:40 AM
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| quote | | Originally posted by FieroJimmy: You've definitely lost me as a potential customer, and I will seek no further interaction with you, until such time as you grow up. |
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In order for him to lose you as a customer, you would have to be a potential customer to begin with. I think it's safe to say that's not the case. So your point is moot.
Actually, about 85% of this thread is moot. And all this divisiveness disgusts me. When people look at the Fiero community and see us flinging poop at each other like a bunch of monkeys, it does nothing to help our public image, nor that of our cars.
I think some of you have lost sight of the fact that we're all fellow Fiero owners. Maybe you should go buy a Honda and be happy.
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DrCPU
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MAR 16, 10:56 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Leafy:
Let me Iterate what you already know. The SBC is an old stone age engine. These days you can see 300hp out of a Nissan 3.5L DOHC V6 because of technology. There are lots of people who feel that's where technology has brought us to.
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Leafy,
I need to add this observation. Your quote indicates to me you are younger and don't understand the mentality of the older crowd who don't care so much about technology. My harley was a pushrod with carb. It was big, underpowered, but could be built up to insane levels of power. I could do all my own wrenchin. I grew up in the days when a Nova or Vega had a SBC or LBC installed with a six pack carb setup. My buddies had the Barracudas with the 318's - three speeds. My Dad had a 63 Vette (convertible) with the base 300hp turbojet. When you started any of the engines above it is was "blub-blub, gurgle, blug blub, wraaaaaaaaaaaa" when you hit the gas. It shook at idle and the entire body would move with the pulse of the engine. When I was at a stop light with the Harley - everyone and I mean everyone would be transfixed by the engine bouncing around in the frame - I had a Dyna rubber mount.
I can't speak for other SBCers, but I want the flip flop bouncy bounce and raw low RPM torque and HP that a crate SBC gives me. They are cheap and relatively easy to have maintained compared to overhead cam engines. I know I'll get flammed for that comment. I grew up with pushrods - and even though I've got access to newer technology don't want to give up on the other niceties the older technology gives me. Kinda like keeping a good less attractive girlfriend and not booting her because a new beauty (most likely lots of silicone or salene) walks down the street.
Your comment that SBC are stone age is a clear indication to me that you've predetermined for the most part that an SBCer is somehow a looser or worse. I know that comment is stretching a little - but this is text and I only have so much time. Sorry.
I know you're asking for proof of numbers. Hey I posted mine - but remember that my setup has not been tuned. It was running hugely rich. Yeah the TPI isn't the best way to feed an SBC - but if you look at my build thread pics you can't deny one thing. It's not just an engine - it's art.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - but the chrome TPI with the Siamesed runners is way cool to me - and to almost anyone who sees it in person. I placed in the V8 class at Fierorama last September - runner up to that kick ahahaa 750 HP runner I mentioned earlier.
Having said all of the above - I'm easilly awed by anyone who does a great job - regardless of engine type. I'll always pick the pushrod over the OHC - or DOHC just because I can smile at the memories of cars than can be compared to "jiggling jello" at idle...... It may not seem rational to you, but you had to have lived it to really appreciate it - or at least be open to the idea that others find it "cool" or "phat" or whatever.
Archie's post that details some of the above is a very fond memory of what life used to be like for me. He's right on the button.
As a final comment I "dig" all engines and would like to see someone put a "new" Supra twin turbo in a Fiero. Would be cool - but it's gonna cost them a ton of cash - at least as much as 5 big decked out SBCs.
Dave
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FieroJimmy
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MAR 16, 11:13 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Blacktree:
In order for him to lose you as a customer, you would have to be a potential customer to begin with. I think it's safe to say that's not the case. So your point is moot.
Maybe you should go buy a Honda and be happy. |
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Dude, you don't know me at all. You can't say what I would or would not do. This is between me and the guy who insulted me for disagreeing with him. I have a 383 hanging on the stand in the garage, and I've been looking at getting integrated rockers, now that it's warming up enough I can comfortably work on my car again. I have cash in hand, for your information.
Go buy a Honda? What is your problem, dude? A business owner insulted me, and I took exception to it, that doesn't mean I'm not happy with my car, that doesn't mean I think the whole Fiero community sucks. Would you tell me to go buy a Honda if I thought Darth was being childish? How about Chris West? Am I allowed to disagree with any vendors and still be a part of the Fiero community, or do I have to think every one of them is a god? They are all perfect and the rest of us mere mortals can't disagree with them.
Consistently, the same few people start the name calling with one another, and when I say it's childish, now I'm the bad guy.
For the record, I think some of the cars that come from Archie's shop are very nice cars, I may not care for all of the styling cues, but they aren't my cars. I have never bashed someone based on their choice of engines, colors, or spoilers. I rarely, if ever, get involved in threads like these, but it's getting real annoying seeing the same threads over and over.
I am now aware that I'm not allowed to have an opinion that is different from the majority here, so consider me chastised. I'll keep my thoughts to myself from now on.
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Blacktree
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MAR 16, 12:11 PM
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I'm just tired of the Archie vs Shaun nonsense. Call me jaded, if you will. But the next time one of these Archie vs Shaun & Co arguments comes up, I'm going to hand out negative ratings like candy at Halloween. Because I'm sick of it.
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Emc209i
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MAR 16, 12:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by DrCPU:
Kinda like keeping a good less attractive girlfriend and not booting her because a new beauty (most likely lots of silicone or salene) walks down the street.
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That's respectable, none of us have a problem with that! You drive what you love- and that's all that matters. But like everything, you can install a sbc wrong. That's what many of the people here are saying. And as for Leafy, all he's saying that a SBC is dated... which is the truth that you just concreted. You like it because that's what you grew up with. I'd probably be the same way.
The problem being, many of us in the Fiero community don't like outcome of SBC's being installed with crush bent exhaust, hot air intakes, heavy adapter plates etc. The car sounds amazing, but then falls on its face at dyno events, drag races, whatever you enter it in. This creates bad rep for the community as a whole. This is the issue we'd like to see addressed.
I personally don't want to see Archie fall on his face- I want him to do it right so I can recommend his swaps. But he seems convinced that everyone is like Shaun, out to get him, and navigates away from the problem into name calling.
Saying that people can't afford Mandrel bends isn't selling me. That should be part of the install. I'm talking about people that install a V8 with your mail order kit, I'm talking about cars that come out of your shop that you built. Also how hard would it be to install a fender intake?[This message has been edited by Emc209i (edited 03-16-2008).]
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Emc209i
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MAR 16, 12:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Blacktree:
I'm just tired of the Archie vs Shaun nonsense. Call me jaded, if you will. But the next time one of these Archie vs Shaun & Co arguments comes up, I'm going to hand out negative ratings like candy at Halloween. Because I'm sick of it. |
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That would definitely help the problem. Be part of the solution, not a tool for more chaos.[This message has been edited by Emc209i (edited 03-16-2008).]
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