quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Boonie, it is not often that your posts stimulate me to reply to them and contradict them.

Awwwww, what a sweet way of saying I never write anything worth repling too!

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: If one is responsible as a parent, they will be taught to conform to widely-accepted norms of behaviour, as peceived by the parents.

Exactly.
Parents who may still be living in the stone-age.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: It is a reflection of common sense in observing decent, moral and acceptable ways to behave in OUR World, which are readily available for ALL to see, and understand. And accept.

The above underlined is all subjective.
And changes from day to day, and year to year.

And who is the "WE" in "OUR" World?
Only the majority, those that agree with the way they think things should be?
Ask yourself this:
I sleep with women.
Can I dress like a woman out in public if I want?
Can I act (talk, walk, etc.) like a woman in public if I want?
How does that hurt anyone?
It doesn't.
But If you find out I sleep with men, that changes everything!

So lets not kid ourselves.
It's about who we sleep with.
And that should have NO bearing on how we are treated.
Looking, acting, and liking things the majority don't agree with don't nessisarily make it wrong.
Being different DON'T mean criminal.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Mental and emotional slavery? Or a general, educated understanding that irritability and how it affects your way of life is critical to being HAPPY, and accepted.....of which the latter is undeniably the wish of most people, I would have thought?

Accepted?
When people said the World was round, was that "accepted"?
Was Gallilao accepted?
Was the exsistence of hidden WMD's accepted?
Was it accepted that witches were real?

Accepted don't make it true or right, anymore then ignoring something makes it go away.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: As to the 'disownment', you are right. We are less and less demanding for the ostracisation of disruptive, rude, offensive and unsociable behaviour. And doesn't the resulting chaos spread unrest, dis-satisfaction, and worst of all, a deep resentment? Often resulting in conflict, violence, and sometimes death.

That sounds like the history of Religion.
Things change.
Peoples thoughts & ideas expand and grow.
What's seen as wrong in one culture, or time, may be seen as right in another.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I don't KNOW much about you, but I can make an educated guess, based on your (in my opinion, at least), welcome contributions here. You are a responsible, hardworking, compassionate Family man.

I am.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: It worries me that you choose to rattle the oppositions' sabre in support of that which directly contradicts my, perhaps erroneous, perception of your way of life.

My way of life is about the freedom to live my life the way I see fit, as long as I do not hurt others in doing it.
Hurting others does not include NOT conforming to others idea of how I should look, act, or live it.
What might be good for my life MAY NOT be good for someone else's.
I don't impose my values on others, becouse I don't want theirs imposed on me.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: What is it in your life that prompts you to want to make waves on your own shore?

I don't get what you mean.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Why are you discontent enough with your life to do so?

Nick, for some reason I can't readily explain, I find that rather insulting.
I am indeed "discontent" with some aspects of my life, abilities (or lack thereof), and some aspects of the World around me.
But to say that my defending what I believe to be the fair & just treatment (or lack thereof) of another human being living his OWN life, has ANYTHING to do with my discontentment of my PERSONAL LIFE, seems to suggest that I am lashing out becouse I am miserable in my OWN life.
I think I have come to know you well enough to know that was NOT your intent.
I choose to think you just misworded a thought, and as such, I hold no ill-will tword you in the above statement.
It just felt very dismissive, and in that light, oppressive.
But if no harm was intended, no foul was scored.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: IS there something about conforming to sensible and long-established rules for us ALL to be happy together, which impels you to take this stand you appear to be making?

I despise confomity for the sake of acceptance.
"Sensible" and "long-established rules" are subjective, and change all the time.
It's sometimes called progress and enlightenment, and can correct the wrongs & injustis's of archaic and outdated thinking.

As far as "for us ALL to be happy together", does that "ALL" include EVERYONE, or just those that are in the majority of agreement with eachother and how they live their lives?
Back in the day, it was believed by the majority that for "ALL whitemen to be happy together", all blackmen must be slaves.
The country thought that in order for the "the whole country to be happy together", women can not vote.
All "accepted" ways of thinking.
That are no longer accepted.
So when you say, "for us ALL to be happy together", you have to include EVERYONE, even if you don't aprove of the way they are (legally) living thier lives.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: This is not intended to be a personal attack on you, please believe me. I just want to understand this apparent contradiction in terms. Nick

There IS no contradiction.
I support people living thier own lives, dispite weither I agree with it or not.
I disavow conformity for the sake of personal freedom.
I believe in live & let live.
The way someone lives thier life may not be for me, but it don't have to be.
And that is how it should be.
It's called Freedom, and the above may very well be the exact definition of it.
Free to choose the way you live your OWN life.
Weather others agree with that way or not.

P.S. I took no offense to your post, and still hold you in the same regard as always.

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Can I dress like a woman out in public if I want? Can I act (talk, walk, etc.) like a woman in public if I want?

Now that kind of imagery is a real mood killer. lol Just kidding Boonie. I'm sure you have a hot set of gams you can show off.

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quote Originally posted by whadeduck: I'm sure you have a hot set of gams you can show off.

There for a minute, me wearing a short dress, I thought you said, "I'm sure you have a hot set of GEMS you can show off."!
I indeed do.

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