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Leafy MAR 15, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Archie:




No answers to my Questions? All I want are my questions answered, Archie.

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Formula88 MAR 15, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by Leafy:


Yeah X, we're calling you out. Let's see some proof.



You planning on the hate mail, harassment and trolling to go with that?
Matt Hawkins MAR 15, 11:39 PM
I must admit I have been avoiding this thread for awhile. Chalk it up to boredom, but I finally read it. It cracks me up to see my name being used to defend the V6 vs V8 argument.

I could really care less what is powering your car. If it runs 10s, 11s, 12s. It is fast. Sure more displacement means more potential, but who really cares. When I go to the track and record 11s runs, people are impressed. Very few even know what engine is in the car. I personally find it more impressive when fast times are achieved with smaller displacement, but I still respect the V8 guys.

None of this really matters to 99.9% of the car world though. My $0.02 is everyone should try to show up at Milan Dragway on Wed. before the show and respresent the Fiero community. There will be all walks of car life there, not just Fiero guys. Run what you brung and no BS.

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Leafy MAR 16, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by Formula88:


You planning on the hate mail, harassment and trolling to go with that?



Do you actually believe I had anything to do with that stuff?
Archie MAR 16, 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by Leafy:
No answers to my Questions? All I want are my questions answered, Archie.



Well, you're gonna get answers, then my work is done here.

I expect you to read it.


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Originally posted by Leafy:
I post on RFT, does that make me a bad person Archie? Why don't you go into the Board and see how many times I have posted in the RFT Vs. Teh World Subforum. Go on, take a look. I have Friends on that forum that share my same belief in SBC's, but that may only be coincidence because a few of the friends I have on there live close by me. Let me Iterate what you already know. The SBC is an old stone age engine. These days you can see 300hp out of a Nissan 3.5L DOHC V6 because of technology. There are lots of people who feel that's where technology has brought us to.

With the onset of Computer Technology we see Dynometers and people using them more and more frequently. Not sure if you surf any other forums, but it's almost expected that if you claim X amount of horsepower that You should post a dyno slip to back it up. It's called the information age.

What I would like to see is an Internet where people would be honest with each other. Honesty is all we're asking for here on this forum, and others. Is it too much to ask from people that they should show proof of their Horsepower claims?



I don't know what you're screen name is on RFT but if you say your a good then that's fine by me.

However based on your comment about the SBC being stone age, it appears that you've already decided that we're not going to find any common ground. But let's try......

I don't know if a 3.5 Datsun engine makes 300 hp stock but if it does I'd still rather have a SBC that makes 300hp. Typically the SBC would make maximum HP at a much lower RPM & the SBC would make more torque & be making it at a lower RPM. You see I like to take off quickly for traffic lights & most of my driving is in the city. Around here with a SBC I can take off from a trarffic light at 2000 to 2500 RPM & get a good launch without attracting too much attention from the cops. Typically with a smaller displacement engine a person would have to take off at 3500 or more RPM to get the same result. If you're saying that the Datsun engine has to be built up to make the 300 HP then it's a shoe in that a SBC is gonna make that 300hp a lot cheaper than the 3.5 plus it's gonna make that power range I want my car to make it in.

Now, I'm into Fieros because I love the little things. I've always wanted Muscle Car power & torque in a Sports Car package. While the Fiero may not be the best Sports Car available, it gets the nod from me because of the midengine configuration that has weight as close to 50-50 as you can get & still have Muscle Car power & torque in a Sports Car package. Before I put a SBC in a Fiero I had put SBC's into a Datsun 240Z, an XKE, an Opel GT a Bug-eyed Sprite & a few others. While they had plenty of power in a straight line, the Sports Car handling was gone. The Fiero fit the bill.

If I wasn't into the Fieros, I'd be putting LSx engines into older Muscle Cars.

You didn't say if you had put that Datsun engine into a Fiero, but if you're talking about that engine in that car, I just couldn't care how fast it is.

If it's a Muscle Car or a Fiero then I like it. If it's any other type of car, then it's a rental car.

You asked if you should be demanding proof in HP claims. This is really a 2 part answer.

This is going to take a few minutes to read but I know you'll understand the older generation a lot better if you read it.

part 1....I grew up in the '60's, everybody I knew had a hot car then. There wasn't as much variety as there is now. A BMW had a 2 cylinder engine, anything British had Lucus electronics. (You know why Britians drink warm beer don't you? They have Lucas refrigerators. <~~~~ that's a joke for the old times) Most everybody I knew had a Muscle car from the big 3. There weren't chassis dynos around & very few engine dynos. If you wanted an engine in your car that wasn't stock you had to build it or have a local rebuilder build it for you. If you had a 396/375 Chevelle (396ci/375hp for you youngsters) & you put such & such cam in it then it would make 400 horse or whatever. Everybody knew that because local engine shops didn't have dynos but they bought their parts all from the same major suppliers. Because engine Dynos were way too expensive for the local rebuilders to have, the manufacturers would test every performance part they made in every engine that part was made to fit. These manufacturers made charts up so local engine builders knew how much HP each part would make in each engine it was made to fit. Let's say you were wanting your engine builder to build a 400hp 327ci SBC. He'd pull out a chart that would tell him exactly what cam, pistons, rods, heads & everything else it would take to build that engine. Then they'd build it.

part 2.... In my day, you took a man at his word. You wouldn't call him a liar unless you could prove it & you had to look him in the eye when you told him he was a liar. He didn't have to prove to you that he wasn't lying, you had to provide the proof. Now days people lie all the time, young people are raised to understand that they have to lie to survive & that everybody does it. When I was young, it was a major insult to be called a liar. If you heard someone call call someone a liar, you were about to witness a fight. If you didn't believe someone's HP claims, you either smiled & nodded & walked away or you challenged him to a race. The races were always for money & sometimes for Titles (or Pinks) If you didn't want the car he was driving, you always made sure it was for money. If he accepted your challenge & then you backed out, you'd get laughed right out of school or off the street.

So, to answer your question should you be demanding proof in HP claims. I don't think you should be demanding. You can't demand things from people you don't know, in my day that would be the best way to get your butt kicked. Now days you think it's ok because you don't have to do it face to face. I think it would be fine to ask in a respectful way. No need to be blasting away at them right away, you could give him the benifit of the doubt until he's had a chance to give enough details that you can prove he's lying.

The burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused.

Archie
PK MAR 16, 02:26 AM

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Originally posted by Archie:
anything British had Lucus electronics. (You know why Britians drink warm beer don't you? They have Lucas refrigerators. <~~~~ that's a joke for the old times)
Archie



ahhh good ole Lucas "The Prince of darkness"


bornobsessed MAR 16, 02:43 AM
OMG! Nobody's posted to this thread in like an hour!!! But, this useless BS is like the hottest thing on the PFF right now!!!! Does that make this a bump then?!?!?!

*rolls eyes*

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Wafflez MAR 16, 03:18 AM
He didn't even build that engine...so why is this thread still going? No one gives a **** if you can do more with less, I'll just keep building my Chev 302 with every intention of ordering a kit from Archie, and we'll see who gets the last laugh.
Top of the Muffin to you,
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craigsfiero2007 MAR 16, 03:41 AM

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Originally posted by Archie:


I don't know what you're screen name is on RFT but if you say your a good then that's fine by me.

However based on your comment about the SBC being stone age, it appears that you've already decided that we're not going to find any common ground. But let's try......

I don't know if a 3.5 Datsun engine makes 300 hp stock but if it does I'd still rather have a SBC that makes 300hp. Typically the SBC would make maximum HP at a much lower RPM & the SBC would make more torque & be making it at a lower RPM. You see I like to take off quickly for traffic lights & most of my driving is in the city. Around here with a SBC I can take off from a trarffic light at 2000 to 2500 RPM & get a good launch without attracting too much attention from the cops. Typically with a smaller displacement engine a person would have to take off at 3500 or more RPM to get the same result. If you're saying that the Datsun engine has to be built up to make the 300 HP then it's a shoe in that a SBC is gonna make that 300hp a lot cheaper than the 3.5 plus it's gonna make that power range I want my car to make it in.

Now, I'm into Fieros because I love the little things. I've always wanted Muscle Car power & torque in a Sports Car package. While the Fiero may not be the best Sports Car available, it gets the nod from me because of the midengine configuration that has weight as close to 50-50 as you can get & still have Muscle Car power & torque in a Sports Car package. Before I put a SBC in a Fiero I had put SBC's into a Datsun 240Z, an XKE, an Opel GT a Bug-eyed Sprite & a few others. While they had plenty of power in a straight line, the Sports Car handling was gone. The Fiero fit the bill.

If I wasn't into the Fieros, I'd be putting LSx engines into older Muscle Cars.

You didn't say if you had put that Datsun engine into a Fiero, but if you're talking about that engine in that car, I just couldn't care how fast it is.

If it's a Muscle Car or a Fiero then I like it. If it's any other type of car, then it's a rental car.

You asked if you should be demanding proof in HP claims. This is really a 2 part answer.

This is going to take a few minutes to read but I know you'll understand the older generation a lot better if you read it.

part 1....I grew up in the '60's, everybody I knew had a hot car then. There wasn't as much variety as there is now. A BMW had a 2 cylinder engine, anything British had Lucus electronics. (You know why Britians drink warm beer don't you? They have Lucas refrigerators. <~~~~ that's a joke for the old times) Most everybody I knew had a Muscle car from the big 3. There weren't chassis dynos around & very few engine dynos. If you wanted an engine in your car that wasn't stock you had to build it or have a local rebuilder build it for you. If you had a 396/375 Chevelle (396ci/375hp for you youngsters) & you put such & such cam in it then it would make 400 horse or whatever. Everybody knew that because local engine shops didn't have dynos but they bought their parts all from the same major suppliers. Because engine Dynos were way too expensive for the local rebuilders to have, the manufacturers would test every performance part they made in every engine that part was made to fit. These manufacturers made charts up so local engine builders knew how much HP each part would make in each engine it was made to fit. Let's say you were wanting your engine builder to build a 400hp 327ci SBC. He'd pull out a chart that would tell him exactly what cam, pistons, rods, heads & everything else it would take to build that engine. Then they'd build it.

part 2.... In my day, you took a man at his word. You wouldn't call him a liar unless you could prove it & you had to look him in the eye when you told him he was a liar. He didn't have to prove to you that he wasn't lying, you had to provide the proof. Now days people lie all the time, young people are raised to understand that they have to lie to survive & that everybody does it. When I was young, it was a major insult to be called a liar. If you heard someone call call someone a liar, you were about to witness a fight. If you didn't believe someone's HP claims, you either smiled & nodded & walked away or you challenged him to a race. The races were always for money & sometimes for Titles (or Pinks) If you didn't want the car he was driving, you always made sure it was for money. If he accepted your challenge & then you backed out, you'd get laughed right out of school or off the street.

So, to answer your question should you be demanding proof in HP claims. I don't think you should be demanding. You can't demand things from people you don't know, in my day that would be the best way to get your butt kicked. Now days you think it's ok because you don't have to do it face to face. I think it would be fine to ask in a respectful way. No need to be blasting away at them right away, you could give him the benifit of the doubt until he's had a chance to give enough details that you can prove he's lying.

The burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused.

Archie



Very nicely put. I was raised around the "old" style hotrodding, like Archie explains. I have kids (I call them kids because they own Hondas or someother foriegn make and think they can beat everyone in town because they put a Cold Air Intake and Cat-Back Exhaust on their car) ask me for dyno sheets to my Fieros all the time, I don't have any, nor do I plan to get any. I have raced some of these kids before, sometimes I was unpowered, but I still won. How may you ask, well its simple, they didn't know how to drive their car like, missing shifts, over revving, or stalling. I am not saying I am the best driver, because I am not. I have lost lots of races, that I have lost proudly because I got beat fair and square. I think now and most of the people I have raced that I have respect for are older gentlemen and a few women (and yes I will admit I have lost to a lady, she had a far better car than me and I messed up) because they know what they are talking about and they know how to build real fast cars. I just hate when I get those arrogant kids in their ricer thingys that think they can beat even the best cars from the past, I had a classmate that had a 1999 Honda Civic with a Four banger and a five speed, after he put a K&N Cold Air Intake and a Injen Cat-Back exhaust on his car with a short shifter he thought he could beat my uncles stock 1970 Chevy Chevelle SS with a 396 and a four speed muncie with 3.73 posi gears, so I took him to the track and showed him, my uncle dogged him twice. The next day he told all his little friends that he beat my uncle in his Chevelle. I just hate that most of them think they can put on some bolt on parts and go out and beat everyone and set the world on fire, not going to happen. Like my great-grandfather always said, "If you want real power out of that engine, take it out of the car and build it up. The more money you put in it the faster you go, if you do it right."

The best thing about a Chevy 350 is that you can get parts anywhere for them. There are so many possibilties to the Chevy 350, its insane. The more money you put into the Chevy 350, the faster that Chevy 350 with be. But with a well built Chevy 350 it doesn't take much to get 400HP out of it. I like the 350's in Fieros, but I prefer the 3800SC, just because its Supercharged and its a V6 so not alot of people expect it to be fast and it just a another cool engine made by GM. I wouldn't mind having a Chevy 350 or a Chevy 427 small block in a Fiero, I think it would be cool and lots of fun. I not only have love for the Fiero but for many other GM cars and lots of GM Classics and some other makes. I can type up a list of my favorite cars, if you would like to know, but its going to be a couple of pages

This is just my little rant. Not lighting any fires.
craigsfiero2007 MAR 16, 03:45 AM

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Originally posted by Wafflez:

I'll just keep building my Chev 302 with every intention of ordering a kit from Archie, and we'll see who gets the last laugh.
Top of the Muffin to you,
-Dave




Nice a Chevy 302. Those are really good engines when they are all built up.