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pro street dave
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DEC 28, 09:34 AM
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I like having something I can call my own. junk is junk, a good build is a good build.
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Bloozberry
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DEC 28, 10:01 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by madcurl:
Grown men thinking their the real super heros driving super exotics.
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OK, so let me see if I've got this straight... first it was the cars that are stupid, and now the owners stupid too. Am I misquoting you here or taking anything you've said out of context this time? Because the only grown man on this thread (and probably on this site) that struts around acting the super hero is also the only one who posts his every exploit in his car in the Chop Top Chronicles in the Construction Zone. No mask or cape needed. 
BTW, I noticed you didn't answer my last post... shall I repost it for page 6?[This message has been edited by Bloozberry (edited 12-28-2011).]
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motoracer838
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DEC 28, 01:50 PM
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Just so you know, super replicas is a total scam, if your going to show something, then at least show something from a real company.
BTW I find it funny that as you got backed into a corner, you started making a distinction between "bad" and "good" kits.
Joe[This message has been edited by motoracer838 (edited 12-28-2011).]
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madcurl
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DEC 28, 04:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by motoracer838:
Just so you know, super replicas is a total scam, if your going to show something, then at least show something from a real company.
BTW I find it funny that as you got backed into a corner, you started making a distinction between "bad" and "good" kits.
Joe
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Obviously, you have selective reading. In the beginning I've repeated the same thing over and over again that (some) kit represent the original pretty good while others do not (page 1 please) . The ones that are poorly designed are the points that I've been making since this thread was started and, "yes" know Super Replica is a rip off company. My posting of the video was to show that the kit doesn't even look close to the original for 34K LOL.
| quote | Originally posted by madcurl:
01-13-2009 09:27 PM
I agree it's "creativity" but as a whole the kit kar industry lacks serious imagination. They cannot build anything new. It's as-if they're stuck in a mental loop and can't go beyond the pen/pencil or note pad. Thus countless number of venders are producing the same product over and over again- some good and some bad. The examples on both sides are endless.
Thus a potential customer who spends 70k for a replica is stuck with other kits that sucks
A good example for around 30k or so.
A "Tasteless" examples for a lot less;
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Thus owners of replica are faced with a triple stigma.
1. Fiero (false lies regarding Fires and parts bin parts).
2. Kit car based upon a Fiero.
3. Shoddy workmanship from past and present venders.
Granted, if venders started with something new or using a Fiero base framed then there would be a need to badge everything to death or front.
Cien
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Bottom line: It's a no-win situation. You have to have money to build it (correctly) in order for the kit to look like the original (that is the main objective, right?). Otherwise, it comes off as a cheap knock-off with a badge with a stubby Lambo or Ferrari that isn't the correct size, roof, windows, OEM, cheap wheels, and/or body. If you did all things correct you're looking over your shoulder for Ferrari will come after you with high paid lawyers. I'm surprised that Audi/Lamborghini hasn't gone after builders for it is only a matter of time.
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TXGOOD
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DEC 28, 04:48 PM
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I don`t think it`s so much the look of the body kit as the expertise that is used to lay the fiberglass or the fitment of the panels.
Most of the major manufacturers "splash" the molds off of real cars with the exception of the non-stretch version of the Countach.
So, in essence the body is almost the exact shape of a real car.
It`s just how it`s put together.
Madcurl talks about building something different, but we all have seen how horrendous some people`s ideas can be, so I say if you can`t improve on an existing platform such as a stock Fiero, why ruin the car`s good looks.
We don`t all have thousands of dollars to pay someone to make our dream come to life and then hope they only do a one-off so that no one will have what you do.
I would rather re-body a Fiero chassis with a fairly good representation of a supercar than butcher the stock Fiero lines.[This message has been edited by TXGOOD (edited 12-28-2011).]
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motoracer838
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DEC 28, 05:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by madcurl:
Bottom line: It's a no-win situation. You have to have money to build it (correctly) in order for the kit to look like the original (that is the main objective, right?). Otherwise, it comes off as a cheap knock-off with a badge with a stubby Lambo or Ferrari that isn't the correct size, roof, windows, OEM, cheap wheels, and/or body. If you did all things correct you're looking over your shoulder for Ferrari will come after you with high paid lawyers. I'm surprised that Audi/Lamborghini hasn't gone after builders for it is only a matter of time. |
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I'll be the first to knock on a bad kit and truly don't understand the short wheelbase Countachs.
The quote that you put up from above is less that 3 years old, you've been bashing kits for much longer, and your self righteousness is getting old. The kit industry has tried original designs from time to time, for every 20 or so, your lucky to have 1 sucsess, a lot of money has been wasted over the years trying to do original designs and the kit company's found a better market producing replicas, one of the few current original designs that is having some level of sucsess is the FFR GTM. Kit company's are in the biz to turn a profit, it's hard enough to make a profit with replicas.
Given that you don't even do most of the work on your own cars, you really don't have room to be bashing about a "lack of creativity" most of your "creativity" comes from other people's skills, for many people building a replica of something is their way of "doing something unique". Since it's not your money, I don't understand your negativity. I'd love nothing more than to watch you "create" an original car WITH YOUR OWN TWO HANDS, as well as out of your pocket.
Joe[This message has been edited by motoracer838 (edited 12-29-2011).]
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Rick Morehouse
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DEC 28, 09:13 PM
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My comments are intended for the support of the kit car industry, those creative people who may do an original or splash a copy. Back
in the 80s I wanted to do a replica of the AMX///. Wrote to Chrysler, who then owned the AMC rights in all aspects. Their legal begals
told me, sure as long as we inspect-make adjustments as needed-approve-&-get a royalty for each vehicle. My pockets never were that deep. Glad to see some of Mr. Teague's family bringing that car to market, still can't afford one.
Also; back in the day--a replica "had" to be modified by @least 10% in design. The "replica" COULD NOT be spot-on. Perhaps that"s why lawyers still pursue kit car manufactures who wish to infringe on the original owners rights in any or all aspects.
My fieros are my personal platform that allows me to do as I wish in creating a vehicle to MY liking. I have a hand crafted vehicle that
I'm rebuilding w/modern drivetrain & other upgrades. The Association of Handcrafted Automobiles does connect with many replica
building companies, to help all involved to build/maintain safe vehicles. After all, their is beauty in all things--peace ya'll--Rick
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chriswf
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DEC 28, 10:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by motoracer838:
I'll be the first to knock on a bad kit and truly don't understand the short wheelbase Countachs.
The quote that you put up from above is less that 2 years old, you've been bashing kits for much longer, and your self righteousness is getting old. The kit industry has tried original designs from time to time, for every 20 or so, your lucky to have 1 sucsess, a lot of money has been wasted over the years trying to do original designs and the kit company's found a better market producing replicas, one of the few current original designs that is having some level of sucsess is the FFR GTM. Kit company's are in the biz to turn a profit, it's hard enough to make a profit with replicas.
Given that you don't even do most of the work on your own cars, you really don't have room to be bashing about a "lack of creativity" most of your "creativity" comes from other people's skills, for many people building a replica of something is their way of "doing something unique". Since it's not your money, I don't understand your negativity. I'd love nothing more than to watch you "create" an original car WITH YOUR OWN TWO HANDS,and out of your pocket.
Joe
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I don't care. Copy something to the limit you wish (stop at wheel base if you want, it's your car), or go out on a limb and create your own idea. If it's someone's car, and it looks different from something else, it will always interest me. I saw a Del Sol with a kit on it today, perfect paint job - and I thought wow that guy likes that car so much he took the time to make it a little better. Go him.
I once saw a yellow? (maybe red) 300z that was kind of a ferrari replica. I'm sure the other Plano guys may have seen it once or twice.
It's not perfect, but I was like you know what, go him! Because he's not driving a cloned car!
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dratts
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DEC 29, 05:28 PM
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We have two options. Keep our Fieros stock or modify them. I have no problem with either choice. How someone modifies their car might not be what I would do, but it would be really arrogant of me to say that their choice is wrong. The last thing I would do is come up to someone who has spent time and money to modify their car and tell them that they did it all wrong and that I have no respect for what they did. If that was how I felt I would keep it to myself.
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madcurl
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FEB 26, 12:08 AM
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